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by Ryanair01
Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:43 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Wizzing to Iceland, 28 inches of pitch, go arounds and a fake Big Mac...
Replies: 7
Views: 10879

Re: Wizzing to Iceland, 28 inches of pitch, go arounds and a fake Big Mac...

Wizz allocate seats, but don’t board by row. So people were queueing across the tarmac trying to board. That was not ideal for a dark and rainy morning. True, but WIZZ AIR is boarding like other airlines in groups - starting with the "Priority Group" first. I've never been on a Wizz fligh...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:53 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Wizzing to Iceland, 28 inches of pitch, go arounds and a fake Big Mac...
Replies: 7
Views: 10879

Wizzing to Iceland, 28 inches of pitch, go arounds and a fake Big Mac...

Wizzing to Iceland For a small island, there are a lot of airlines trying to take you to Iceland. Wizz have created a little niche, carrying Polish immigrants to and from Reykjavik. That’s similar to their niche at Luton, so it wasn’t a huge shock when Wizz threw their hat into the Luton-Keflavik f...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:23 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Why does MAN get so few BAW international flights and destinations?
Replies: 52
Views: 18077

Re: Why does MAN get so few BAW international flights and destinies?

If you look at measures of global integration, London generally rates as the world's second most globally linked city. Manchester, by whatever measure, doesn't even make the lists of globally integrated cities (see below). For a global airline, it makes more sense to invest in a city that has except...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2019
Replies: 417
Views: 102909

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - October 2019

NH focuses on Japan side feed of traffic. Australia is literally OW territory but if VA to be granted a slot then they’ll have the ability to fly to 3 biggest cities from HND. If we include PER then all of the sudden they fly to 4 biggest cities in Australia. As I said before business demand is hug...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Condor and its links to Thomas Cook
Replies: 177
Views: 30100

Re: Condor and its links to Thomas Cook

I think the question is how much of that profit relies upon package holidays sold by the defunct parent company? DE ca 20% - MT ca 45% Condor has a long history selling tickets to individuals I know. But a big chunk was also via the parent. In an industry of tiny margins like aviation, you can't lo...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Condor and its links to Thomas Cook
Replies: 177
Views: 30100

Re: Condor and its links to Thomas Cook

Just this morning there is an article in the German newspaper FAZ concerning Condor's financial results. Unfortunately this is only in the printed version, I did not find it online so far. EBIT of the last 10 years (operational profit): 2008: €57m 2009: €55m 2010: €61m 2011: €68m 2012: €45m 2013: €...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:56 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Jewels and Durians: With Qantas to Singapore and Malaysia
Replies: 21
Views: 15243

Re: Jewels and Durians: With Qantas to Singapore and Malaysia

Great report, thank you for sharing. Have you ever tried Changi Beach Park? It used to be my Saturday afternoon hang out. If you like East Coast Parkway and Hawker Centres you might like it. https://i.imgur.com/XGV9DA7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/f53VJqL.jpg https://i.imgur.com/6p4XyNX.jpg https://i.img...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread
Replies: 1315
Views: 227249

Re: Updated: Thomas Cook Files for U.S. Bankruptcy Protection

When Monarch collapsed in 2017 with 110,000 people abroad, the government paid to get all of them home. It was alleged that this was done because the Conservative Party conference was being held at that time. The next conference begins on 29 September. A good conspiracy theory if it was true. It wa...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:54 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Flying Transcon: JetBlue Mint A321 BOS-SEA-BOS
Replies: 9
Views: 13152

Re: Flying Transcon: JetBlue Mint A321 BOS-SEA-BOS

Very nice report. Rather oddly it reminded me of flying Jetblue LAX-BOS-IAD in 2010 and watching the Jetblue Stephen Slater drama unfold on their inflight Live TV.

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by Ryanair01
Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:44 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000
Replies: 16
Views: 18453

Re: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000

Wonderfully nostalgic report and it's great to see photos of all the paraphernalia associated with flying in those days! Did you photograph the magazines etc at the time or keep them until today? Have you got any Ansett memories to share? My first flights since I was 18 months old were on Ansett fr...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:41 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000
Replies: 16
Views: 18453

Re: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000

That's an interesting observation. I think Ansett's service could have an aloof feel. Certainly, during the late 80s and early 90s they pushed a more upmarket approach, with velour seat covers, gold plated details in the seats etc. I vividly remember landing in Brisbane on a 767 in 1990 and the cre...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:35 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Best value across the Atlantic? TAP's A330-900neo: JFK-LIS-OSL
Replies: 4
Views: 16463

Re: Best value across the Atlantic? TAP's A330-900neo: JFK-LIS-OSL

Nice report, thanks for sharing.

My experiences of TAP in long-haul were positive too. Very professional crews and a comfortable cabin, but the entertainment selection was pretty poor from memory. Definitely a quietly underrated airline.

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by Ryanair01
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am and the 747-400
Replies: 104
Views: 19055

Re: Pan Am and the 747-400

They also had several orders ready to go for the A320 in and around 1989 but deferred them and IIRC, America West got few of them. They had 16 firm orders and 34 options, powered by V2500 engines. The delivery positions were sold to Braniff in January 1989, who converted the 34 options to firm orde...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am and the 747-400
Replies: 104
Views: 19055

Re: Pan Am and the 747-400

PanAm got to a point in the 1980s when Boeing didn't want to deal with them unless they paid for planes upfront. The up and coming Airbus was far more flexible in financing terms, hence the introduction of the A300 and A310. That's not quite what happened. Pan Am had 747-100s; 747-200s; 747-SPs; DC...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Aug 24, 2019 1:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019
Replies: 471
Views: 85407

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Highly doubt Sunrise Aircrafts will be sitting around more than 4hrs a day if they on a daily service. (SYD17:30 - LHR05:00+1 & return LHR08:30-SYD14:00) will allow 3,5hrs turnarounds based on 20hrs 30mins flight times I'd have thought the business case would definitely be helped by reducing th...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019
Replies: 471
Views: 85407

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

I'm starting to wonder what the schedules of the Project Sunrise flights will look like. I imagine JFK will stay roughly the same (SYD16:00 - JFK18:00 / JFK21:00-SYD06:45+2). With LHR, I see something like SYD20:00 - LHR06:10+1, but how will the return flight look? An evening LHR departure would hi...

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by Ryanair01
Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019
Replies: 471
Views: 85407

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

I'm starting to wonder what the schedules of the Project Sunrise flights will look like. I imagine JFK will stay roughly the same (SYD16:00 - JFK18:00 / JFK21:00-SYD06:45+2). With LHR, I see something like SYD20:00 - LHR06:10+1, but how will the return flight look? An evening LHR departure would hi...

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by Ryanair01
Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019
Replies: 471
Views: 85407

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

I absolutely agree with this, but I think there's an argument to be made to allow cabotage for regional Australia to induce some competition. I don't think foreign carriers will be flooding the market or anything, but someone, perhaps D7, might start services on a few routes, which would do wonders...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Heathrow-JFK is the world's only billion-dollar airline route.
Replies: 51
Views: 12722

Re: Heathrow-JFK is the world's only billion-dollar airline route.

Thank you for sharing that link. A few things that I find interesting are: - For the US, 3 of the top 5 are foreign airlines. - Delta doesn't appear until number 9 - Amsterdam and Frankfurt don't make any list at all - despite being major European hubs - CDG only makes one list once, from JFK and h...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Aug 17, 2019 1:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Heathrow-JFK is the world's only billion-dollar airline route.
Replies: 51
Views: 12722

Re: Heathrow-JFK is the world's only billion-dollar airline route.

They didn't clearly indicate whether the JFK-LHR revenue was purely from BA metal or does it include all AA/BA JV revenue on the route. I also found it interesting that half of the top 10 list are OW carriers. Yes 4 of the routes are OW carriers. 4 of the routes are Star carriers. 5 of the 10 ten r...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019
Replies: 471
Views: 85407

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - August 2019

Next week marks 30 years since the Domestic Pilots Dispute, which grounded aviation within Australia. A few basic points as I understand it: - At the time Hawke and the ACTU had a deal which capped union wage claims (The Prices and Income Accord) - Australian Airlines pilots had not submitted a pay ...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:35 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000
Replies: 16
Views: 18453

Re: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000

Very cool Ansett trip report. Though have to say, having gone through Kansei last week, there's still not many F&B outlets airside. Oh wow, I've not been back to Kansai since then. It's shocking for me to think that it was almost 20 years ago. A blast from the past that report. Good to read it....

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by Ryanair01
Sun Jul 28, 2019 1:09 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: When I flew Qatar Airways as Akbar Al Baker's guest. 2012
Replies: 0
Views: 5012

When I flew Qatar Airways as Akbar Al Baker's guest. 2012

Qatar Airways A340-600 LHR-DOH Back in 2012 I was invited to meet His Excellency Mr Akbar Al Baker, CEO of Qatar Airways. That saw me fly as his guest to Doha from London. Having left that job, I now feel able to write about the trip. The pictures are poor quality. If that is problem then it’s prob...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:43 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Iberia A340-600; a brand new LATAM 787-9 in Business and a BA E-170. August 2017
Replies: 0
Views: 5176

Iberia A340-600; a brand new LATAM 787-9 in Business and a BA E-170. August 2017

Iberia LHR-MAD Airbus A340-600 EC-JFK Delivered May 2005 Iberia and BA both use long haul widebodies between Heathrow and Madrid. Despite costing more, for fun I booked Iberia’s evening A340-600 to Madrid. As this was a late flight, I went for dinner at Gordon Ramsey’s Plane Food. The fast service ...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Jul 27, 2019 8:33 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000
Replies: 16
Views: 18453

Re: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000

As a postscript, I found this cabin shot AN108, my flight aboard VH-BZF a 767-300ER not taken up by Continential.

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by Ryanair01
Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LHR Terminal Assignments
Replies: 15
Views: 4231

Re: LHR Terminal Assignments

It is fairly straight forward: T2: Star Alliance (Aer Lingus are also there as it has the only available Domestic and ROI gates). It was intended that BMI would be the anchor tenant and LHR would be a true Star Hub, but LH couldn't make BMI work. T3: One World (Virgin is there as a legacy of T3 bein...

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by Ryanair01
Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA move to T5 in LHR?
Replies: 72
Views: 14069

Re: AA move to T5 in LHR?

AA at LHR is in a metal neutral JV with BA. From BA's viewpoint - operationally moving more routes to T3 (so AA can have space) would be a pain; commercially whatever they can do to maximise transfer traffic would be welcomed.

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by Ryanair01
Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:29 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Flying British Airways Club Europe with Hillary Clinton randomly sitting behind me was interesting!
Replies: 12
Views: 15961

Re: Flying British Airways Club Europe with Hillary Clinton randomly sitting behind me was interesting!

I did create an interesting blend of secret service personnel on the ramp 'back in the day'. I wasn't paying much attention and accidentally allocated Saudia Royal Flight (the king's wives) and El Al neighboring gates. The Saudis didn't care, but the Israeli officials were somewhat threatening. I sh...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: AussieHolidays(5) - Regional Express' Saab 340 Ballina-Grafton-Sydney
Replies: 4
Views: 5315

Re: AussieHolidays(5) - Regional Express' Saab 340 Ballina-Grafton-Sydney

This must be the first time someone has reported on a Byron Bay - Grafton sector! It looks like a decent flight with REX.

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by Ryanair01
Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:04 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Intercontinental Wizz Air - 5 hours on an A320 to Georgia
Replies: 4
Views: 8220

Re: Intercontinental Wizz Air - 5 hours on an A320 to Georgia

Stunning pics from Georgia! Always wanted to go there, but not had the chance. Would I do it on WizzAir, do not think so. 5 hours is above my threshold to survive on a LCC. 3 is my absolute limit. But, great reporting! thanks for that. Thank you. I thoroughly recommend Georgia. 5 hours does push co...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta at LHR
Replies: 71
Views: 17976

Re: Delta at LHR

Regulatory history is basically why. Up until not so long ago, access to Heathrow from the US was heavily regulated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_II_Agreement Under Bermuda 2, only Pan Am and TWA could fly to LHR. In 1990/91 Pan Am sold this authority to United and TWA to American. Both of ...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:36 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000
Replies: 16
Views: 18453

Re: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000

That was an excellent report and a great photo selection! Those flight prices certainly were pretty high. I remember the lowest you could pay for Sydney to Melbourne return was something like $180 back in the 1990s in a sale. It's similar today, but of course, it's much cheaper today by comparison....

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by Ryanair01
Sat Jul 06, 2019 1:17 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000
Replies: 16
Views: 18453

Re: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000

Nice report, reminds me of my AN flight to Hong Kong, Great airline sadly missed AN767 Thank you. It must have been very similar. images are broken Seem to be working again. Thank you so so much for this report. It's terrific to get such a detailed report from almost 20 years ago on an airline I ca...

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by Ryanair01
Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is next for Icelandair?
Replies: 80
Views: 13924

Re: What is next for Icelandair?

A321XLR. The 757s have to go and quickly (according to Icelandair).

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by Ryanair01
Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019
Replies: 429
Views: 67688

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

BITRE out for April Virgin numbers improved across the board, New Zealand improved somewhat with a 80.5% LF inbound and 72.8% outbound Qatar carried more passengers in/out of PER than EK for the first time, outbound LF just under 98% for the month vs EK 96% Batik Indonesia slowly improving coming i...

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by Ryanair01
Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:52 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000
Replies: 16
Views: 18453

Ansett Australia Osaka - Brisbane - Sydney - Brisbane - Sydney - Osaka. Year 2000

Osaka Kansai - Brisbane - Sydney AN882 747-400 VH-ANA Del Aug 1999 First flew 1989 for SQ as 9V-SMB Ansett 747-400 VH-ANA at Osaka 0297553 As a Star Alliance partner, ANA issued my Ansett boarding pass in London. That saved a job upon arrival in Kansai. Boarding Pass https://i.imgur.com/2AcV3GG.jpg...

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by Ryanair01
Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:01 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: TWA Paris to New York by 767-200 in 2001 - when the TWA terminal was a terminal
Replies: 20
Views: 10772

Re: TWA Paris to New York by 767-200 in 2001 - when the TWA terminal was a terminal

Thanks for taking the time to share this trip report. Your description of the TWA cabin crew was really funny! Was just passing through CDG Terminal 1 and it really hasn't changed much...the essence is still the same. The interiors look very dated and unappealing, and I could only tell some of the ...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019
Replies: 478
Views: 69368

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

A bit of well-placed gossip about VA international, which no I can't substantiate, but comes from sources who would know. A lot of bitterness between HNA and VA right now. It was expected Hong Kong Airlines would market and fill the HKG flights but VA feels they've been completely 'screwed over' (sc...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:25 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: TWA Paris to New York by 767-200 in 2001 - when the TWA terminal was a terminal
Replies: 20
Views: 10772

Re: TWA Paris to New York by 767-200 in 2001 - when the TWA terminal was a terminal

A very enjoyable trip report, thanks for sharing :) Phil FlyingColours Thanks, pleasure! Excellent report! My first "big boy" trip ever was in 1987, at the age of 21, to NYC and a TWA 747 from LAX to JFK. I remember landing at the famed TWA terminal and thinking, "what's the big deal...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019
Replies: 478
Views: 69368

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Routes still need to make financial sense, even if a smaller aircraft reduces the risk of launching new services. SIN could well be a good option for additional/new services from places like BNE and ADL by JQ or even QF if it went down that path. HKG’s capacity issues won’t be solved until the 3rd ...

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by Ryanair01
Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Australia and Virgin Atlantic propose deeper partnership
Replies: 40
Views: 7259

Re: Virgin Australia and Virgin Atlantic propose deeper partnership

It seems sensible. I flew the HKG connection last year https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1399911

Schedules aren't great, but in economy I got enough FF points for a transatlantic flight, which was insanely generous.

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by Ryanair01
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas confirms 3 weekly BNE-SFO and 4 weekly BNE-ORD to start by late April 2020
Replies: 84
Views: 14288

Re: Qantas plans to launch BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD one QF/AA final approval is granted

Cedarjet:So how come Brisbane of all places, another small country town, is in the frame for a nonstop to Chicago ahead of Sydney or Melbourne? Hope you have your hard hat on! :-) While BNE is now over 2 million population it is still only 35 - 40% the size of SYD or MEL, which is why the new servi...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:10 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: TWA Paris to New York by 767-200 in 2001 - when the TWA terminal was a terminal
Replies: 20
Views: 10772

Re: TWA Paris to New York by 767-200 in 2001 - when the TWA terminal was a terminal

Very nice! I flew a lot with TWA domestically, so it's nice to see what the international service was like. Thank you for this trip report. Glad to bring back memories. Nice TR, unfortunately the pics don't come up - can you fix it? Thank you. Think whatever bug is now fixed This was an enjoyable r...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas confirms 3 weekly BNE-SFO and 4 weekly BNE-ORD to start by late April 2020
Replies: 84
Views: 14288

Re: Qantas plans to launch BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD one QF/AA final approval is granted

Is Brisbane the Aussie end of the route because of range? Otherwise I don’t get it. 75% of traffic will have to take a domestic flight from Sydney or Melbourne first, so it’s no improvement on going via LAX on QF/AA or via AKL on NZ. Reminds me of the people who said after the success of PER LHR th...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 295313

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

^^^ It’s been said before, but the people who the airlines make money on pay extra for non-stops. There are plenty of cheap ways to connect a lot between every city pair in the world. Flying non-stop is worthy of super premium prices, which is the entire point here. 20 hours is some nice arbitrary ...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How Long Did It Take American to Retire the TWA Brand?
Replies: 53
Views: 11427

Re: How Long Did It Take American to Retire the TWA Brand?

Hello Everybody, Once the merger between American and TWA was completed in December 2001 I was wondering how long it took American to repaint the planes, replace the interiors and, any other branding that might have needed to be taken care of? I suspect any plans they had to retire the brand as qui...

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by Ryanair01
Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1494
Views: 295313

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

Spec change? I thought Joyce simply said they had accepted that they wouldn’t be able to carry the full 300 pax SYD/MEL-LHR. But on other routes/sectors they’ll still want to carry 300 and that’s how the aircraft will be configured. It’s much the same as what they do on DFW-SYD where they block sea...

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