Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Let's study how DL JFK-SAL is operating by now: DL 1985...JFK 19.07.....22.19 SAL......Daily...738 DL 1984...SAL 23.39....06.19+1JFK....Daily...738 This schedule allocation allowing the "red-eye" itinerary on the northbound SAL-JFK doesn't interfere with the operations of AV SAL-JFK and ba...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Times are different. 4X on JFK PTY could work. I don't think they intend to challenge CM. Agreed. By the end of 2007, DL started a venture to Central America out of New York City from JFK: GUA, PTY, SJO and LIR. However, the mortgage crisis in 2008 stopped these flights as the jet-fuel rose to unsu...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Did AA/DL ever operate MD-80s into SJO/LIR? For some reason I have memories for seeing an AA MD-80 in LIR in the early/mid 2010s but maybe my mind is playing tricks on me. I would sort of think an MD-80 at some point operated some of the DFW-SJO/LIR flights. Perhaps any isolated operation or for ma...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Air Europa from Spain was flying to Central America prior to the beginning of the Covid-19 era as UX MAD-PTY and UX MAD-SAP.
We'd hopefully expect for the resumption of their activities soon.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Strange incident on AA DFW-SAL, June 28th 2021. The 738 couldn't land at SAL due to metherological conditions and was diverted to LIR. However, Liberia closed at midnight and it couldn't attend that operation, despite the fact the plane was experiencied shortage of fuel. Press release in Spanish lan...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Air Canada is not flying to Central America since some months ago.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

asuflyer wrote:

It would appear Volaris Costa Rica is not doing so well. LAX and IAD have been reduced from SAL and JFK temporarily suspended.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

For the first time: Austin, Texas to Central America as scheduled flights:

AA AUS-LIR-3x weekly. Effective: November 02



Furthermore:

WN DEN-LIR 1x weekly. Effective: November 13.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

estefanovich wrote:

Interesting to see they will add destinations from an airport very closely to their current major base in South Florida.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Based on the above argument, 7P PAC-DAV is facing CM PTY-DAV on the same domestic market.
PAC is actually closer to downtown than PTY, which could be sensitive for the choosing of either Air Panama or Copa Airlines for those passengers leaving Panama City.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

What would it be the primary market on CM PTY-DAV ?

* Local business traffic related to Panama City.
* Visiting friends and relatives market between David and Panama City.
* Leisure traffic from South America.
* Leisure traffic from North America.
* Business traffic from North America.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Some of the Central American airports should be rather grouped as shown: N°1: David and Flores. The demand of passengers through these airports is likely focused for the VFR visiting friends and relatives traffic. They don't get scheduled flights from the United States by now. The business component...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

The movements at RTB [Roatan] could be compared to FRS [Flores]. Both stations hold domestic traffic from the capital city. Furthermore, they get leisure traffic coming from abroad. For the case of Roatan, they're receiving scheduled flights from the United States: Houston, Miami, Dallas/Ft. Worth a...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

2travel2know2 wrote:

maybe that airport would finally be able to sustain an IAH twice weekly Embraer RJ operation.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Based on the records of the Central American aviation series, AM TAP-GUA did briefly operate as thrice a week with Embraer jets from November 2013. This will be only the resumption of that segment. I also found strange the justification for the TAP-FRS sector. These routes would be operated by means...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

avi8 wrote:

IAD-GUA route. I haven't seen the route announced anywhere but I'm sure it's a matter of time.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

As pointing out before, AV opeted in 2021 for the reinforcement of their consolidated US routes: SAL-IAD and SAL-LAX, among others. Furthermore, in July they'll launch GUA-IAD and SAL-ONT. The purpose is focused in the medical tourism bound to the US for those passengers trying to be fully vaccinate...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

The eventual AS LAX-BZE might not mean the massive spread of the airline in the rest of Central America. Related to the situation in Costa Rica, the airline is still operating AS LAX-LIR-SJO and facing to DL and UA, in such market. AS won't be alone in Guatemala, El Salvador and Panama on the way to...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Actually I think that ORD-ANC will remain the longest flight in AS’s system at 2473nm. Point taken. AS ORD-ANC is slightly farther. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/2608/RUEAIS.jpg AS ORD-ANC is flown with 737 equipment. However, I've understood the point about the limited length of the BZE r...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

AS has acknowledged that service will be from LAX and SEA. I wish I could figure out how to put a photo of the instagram feed in this thread. The name of the JPEG/GIF/PNG image would need to be transformed as URL direction [ https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/3269/hGpEvk.jpg] by means of any co...

Re: Alaska Airlines adding Belize and expanding fleet

FlyingSicilian wrote:

TACA pulled out of the BZE US market as all the other entrants started up IIRC.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

SunsetLimited wrote:

NK is starting MSY-SAP in July. Better late than never!

Re: Alaska Airlines adding Belize and expanding fleet

Having said that, why would AS sudddenly launch 5x weekly frequencies from LA, if both UA and AA are currently working on a weekly basis ? AA flies to BZE twice daily, once from MIA and once from DFW. On top of that they've scheduled some sub-daily CLT and LAX turns (or at least they have in the pa...

Re: Alaska Airlines adding Belize and expanding fleet

Does anyone know AA / UA's precovid winter schedule from LAX? That never happened. UA LAX-BZE was forming part of the 2021 expansion routes out of LA to Central America: Belize, Honduras and Costa Rica. The airline also increased their weekly frequencies on both UA LAX-GUA and UA LAX-SAL. January 0...

Re: Alaska Airlines adding Belize and expanding fleet

BZE will be 5x weekly LAX, 2x weekly from SEA. Seasonal, potentially year round if it performs well. This schedule allocation doesn't seem to fit the dimension of the annual demand of passegers heading to Belize. It had been posted their limited weekly frequencies from LAX, ORD, DEN, CLT and EWR. H...

Re: Alaska Airlines adding Belize and expanding fleet

Alaska Airlines actually operates a vast network out of LAX to Mexico and Central America: Ixtapa - Zihuatanejo, Manzanillo, Puerto Vallarta, Mazatlan, San Jose del Cabo, Loreto, Guadalajara, Cancun, Liberia and San Jose. On the other hand, Belize City operates many flights coming from the USA with...

Re: Alaska Airlines adding Belize and expanding fleet

The only logical choice is LAX. LAX has the second largest Belizean community in the US. :checkmark: I recall someone operating LAX-BZE 1x weekly back in the day, was it TACA? EDIT: Saw an article from 2013 where DL announced1x weekly LAX-BZE, but during the TACA days, perhaps they flew it as well?...

Re: Alaska Airlines adding Belize and expanding fleet

Alaska Airlines actually operates a vast network out of LAX to Mexico and Central America: Ixtapa - Zihuatanejo, Manzanillo, Puerto Vallarta, Mazatlan, San Jose del Cabo, Loreto, Guadalajara, Cancun, Liberia and San Jose. On the other hand, Belize City operates many flights coming from the USA with ...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Alaska adds Belize to its international destinations Alaska also announced today new nonstop service to Belize City, Belize, in Central America from the West Coast. Belize will be the fourth country Alaska flies to from its West Coast hubs, joining Canada, Mexico and Costa Rica. Routes and schedules...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Impressive the new frequencies into the Panama City - South Florida sector ! That demonstrates the supremacy of CM in such segment, over the rest of their competitors. If CM PTY-FLL goes to daily, these flights are being loaded with a sizeable percentage of passengers coming from abroad. NK FLL-PTY ...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

AV SAL-MEX resumed their services thrice a week with 319.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Has B6 given a date of initial operations into SAP?. December 2021. There's no more known information at this time. https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/04/jetblue-will-have-regular-flights-to-honduras-for-the-first-time/ AV and the former TACA flew SAL-SAP-JFK twice a week, if I recall correctly. Reg...

Re: Copa in inner Argentina

that's what I was thinking too!! It's only a hypothesis as I don't manage any reliable source, in order to validate the accuracy of such statement. However, it makes sense of logic. CM has the potential for the opening of secondary Chilean destinations. I wouldn't speculate about what airports they...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

LightChop2Chop wrote:

CM is resuming PTY BZE on June 18.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

CM PTY-HAV was ranked among the top-ten routes of the airline.
However, it only displays two isolated flights a week for the time being.
I ignore about any constraints given by the Government of the island related to the travelers from abroad.

Re: Copa in inner Argentina

Copa doesn't do that, say, in Chile From what I've read in other sources: CM doesn't fly to secondary cities in Chile, if LATAM doesn't fly to Panama City. The business model of CM in Argentina is like CM in Brazil, offering multiplle cities and weekly frequencies, in those large countries. Regards.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

MGASJO wrote:

AA has delayed MGA flights further back into august 2021.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

]While FLL only goes up to 4 per week !? I cannot remember CM PTY-FLL operating on a daily basis before. Probably CM PTY-MIA is loaded mostly with passengers originated in deep South America, where FLL is not a common destinations for them: SCL, MVD, ASU, EZE, GIG, CNF, POA and so on. The current m...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

I think the top destination from PTY is MIA: CM: 21 fx per week AA: 14 fx per week. 35 fx per week. Edit: I think it is CUN: CM: 42 fx per week. I did a new research and Miami is the top destination for Panama City at this time, over CUN and BOG. Only CM PTY-MIA is more than 6x daily sometimes, add...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

wnflyguy wrote:

WN returning to SJO and LIR seasonally June 6-September 6. So far seems like HOU daily and BWI on Saturdays only.

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Top jet-line destinations from the main Central American cities by now: Belize City - Houston: 9x weekly flighs UA IAH-BZE 9x Guatemala City - Miami: 23x weekly flights AA MIA-GUA 21x + F9 MIA-GUA 2x San Salvador - Los Angeles: 30x weekly flights AV LAX-SAL 14x + Q6 LAX-SAL 2x + DL LAX-SAL 7x + UA L...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

This caption is featuring the inaugural flight on F9 MIA-SAL 2x weekly and edited on April 15th. After Spirit, Frontier is the first US airline offering services to El Salvador, in more than ten years. It's remarkable how some US airlines are recently expanding their services in Central America, lik...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

KLM officially announced the return of their operations to Costa Rica starting June 29th, as announced weeks ago by the Ministry of Tourism. The airline is flying for the first time to Costa Rica outside of the European Winter Season so their service looks now more like an all-year round one. That ...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

LRC315 wrote:

F9 just announced its return to SJO starting July 1st.

MCO-SJO 1x week
MIA-SJO 1x week

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

The opening of these routes is part of the expansion plans of Frontier out of Miami and heading to Mexico, the Caribbean and Central America. This year, the airline has announced F9 MIA-CUN, F9 MIA-STT, F9 MIA-PUJ, F9 MIA-GUA and F9 MIA-SAL. I cannot understand why AV MIA-SAL as non-stop is no longe...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

TUI resuming LGW-LIR BA LGW-SJO with 772 hasn't returned to Costa Rica yet. Same with DE FRA-SDQ-SJO. They also briefly flew DE MUC-SDQ-SJO. The increase of frequencies on LH FRA-SJO from 3x to 5x weekly could be also influenced for the absence of Condor Flugdienst in Costa Rica. IB SJO-MAD is also...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

SAP-MIA 3 weekly (MON, WED, SAT) on board A320 will start in July AV536 - SAP 10:15 - MIA14:30 AV537 - MIA 15:55 - SAP 16:10 AV and even the former TACA scheduled their routes to MIA starting in San Salvador: SAL-MIA, SAL-MGA-MIA, SAL-TGU-MIA, SAL-GUA-MIA, SAL-TGU-SAP-MIA, SAL-SAP-MIA and so forth....

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

GUA-TGU 4 weekly on board A319; starts June 2nd AV454 - TGU 10:15 - GUA 11:15 AV455 - GUA 15:05 - TGU 16:05 SJO-MIA Daily on board A320; no start date AV 690 - SJO 10:35 - MIA 15:38 AV 691 - MIA 14:20 - SJO 15:23 AV did operate GUA-TGU and GUA-SAP with their ATRs, no longer in service within Centra...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

PTY-VRA might be on CM radar. Varadero seems to be a feasible idea for Copa Airlines, in the long-time. The proximity between Varadero and Havana couldn't represent any problem as the airline also flies CM PTY-MIA and CM PTY-FLL. This comparison is not totally fair as VRA is focused for leisure tra...

Re: Central American Aviation Thread - 2021

Cuba has experienced a large reduction of the amount of travelers coming to the island due to the sanitary crisis. CM PTY-HAV had been ranked within the top-ten routes for the Panamanian airline before and now they're flying no more than thrice a week. This segment had been operated up to 6x daily s...