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by dcajet
Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: CSA/Czech Airlines declared bankrupt - operations to continue
Replies: 118
Views: 28540

Re: CSA/Czech Airlines collapse imminent - all staff furloughed

Although Austria was never a communist country, I'd still consider Austrian as a major Eastern European airline because Austria is in Central Europe sharing borders with Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia, and also they always had a lot of flights to Eastern European destinations out of their VIE...

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by dcajet
Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Amaszonas Uruguay suspends operations
Replies: 4
Views: 1687

Re: Amaszonas Uruguay suspends operations

Are Amaszonas Uruguay still planning on returning to flying ? It is not at all clear; last I checked they were doing some non regular charter flying in Argentina and Chile. Scheduled operations have been suspended completely. Incidentally IATA suspended them this week from its Clearing House progra...

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by dcajet
Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cubana Fleet - News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 222
Views: 69720

Re: Cubana Il-96 - News and Discussion Thread

Only CU-T1251 flying regularly. CU-T1250 not flown since summer 2020 CU-T1254 still on the ground at Havana No sign of any life with the AN158 fleet 1 x TU204 still in Russia - any news on this? All others grounded at Havana 1 or 2 ATRs on domestic services Cuba is literally broke. There are report...

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by dcajet
Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

AA added new flights http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2021/American-Airlines-and-JetBlue-Begin-Growth-from-New-York-and-Boston-with-33-New-Routes-Joint-Schedules-and-Codeshare-Flights-NET-ALP-02/default.aspx Domestic BOS Asheville, North Carolina (AVL) June 5 – Nov. 6 BOS Columbus, Ohio (CMH) A...

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by dcajet
Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 316
Views: 31314

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Avianca once again suspends two routes within South America: * Bogota - Asuncion, Paraguay - last flight Feb 20th * Bogota - Montevideo, Uruguay - last flight Feb.7th Avianca had restarted service to both cities last December with their A319s. Lack of demand & travel restrictions due to the pand...

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by dcajet
Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated ITA/Alitalia News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1662
Views: 394316

Re: Updated ITA/Alitalia News and Discussion Thread

Just when one thinks the AZ/ITA plot can't get any thicker... Lufthansa's back in the picture. https://www.barrons.com/news/italy-mulls-alitalia-rescue-plan-with-lufthansa-help-report-01613737805?tesla=y This is entirely my own opinion, but I would wait to believe that scenario. Prime Minister Drag...

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by dcajet
Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated ITA/Alitalia News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1662
Views: 394316

Re: Updated ITA/Alitalia News and Discussion Thread

https://www.barrons.com/news/italy-mull ... 05?tesla=y
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Just when one thinks the AZ/ITA plot can't get any thicker... Lufthansa's back in the picture.

https://www.barrons.com/news/italy-mull ... 05?tesla=y

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by dcajet
Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Star Peru suspends operations
Replies: 16
Views: 4042

Re: Star Peru suspends operations

It feels like Viva and Sky simply pushed Star and Peruvian out of business. While it is nice to have well funded airlines with newer planes, it’s somewhat sad to see the domestic airlines pushed out by subsidiaries of foreign airlines Was Peruvian the one with the DC-8? And they dissolved because o...

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by dcajet
Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Star Peru suspends operations
Replies: 16
Views: 4042

Re: Star Peru suspends operations

It feels like Viva and Sky simply pushed Star and Peruvian out of business. While it is nice to have well funded airlines with newer planes, it’s somewhat sad to see the domestic airlines pushed out by subsidiaries of foreign airlines The fact that foreign airlines are pushing the local airlines ou...

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by dcajet
Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Star Peru suspends operations
Replies: 16
Views: 4042

Re: Star Peru suspends operations

In the midst of bankruptcy rumors, the Peruvian domestic airline Star Peru has suspended operations until March 5th initially, citing low travel demand. https://elcomercio.pe/economia/dia-1/star-peru-al-borde-del-colapso-por-pandemia-haciamos-diez-vuelos-diarios-ahora-hacemos-entre-uno-y-dos-corona...

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by dcajet
Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Star Peru suspends operations
Replies: 16
Views: 4042

Re: Star Peru suspends operations

debonair wrote:
That's the airlines supposedly merging ops with Peruvian in the past, isn't it?! Btw. do they still operate the BAe146?


It appears the BAe146 fleet was parked and 3-4 737-300 ex Southwest took over the operations, together with 2 Dash-8 400.

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by dcajet
Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

AA996/7 MIA-EZE-MIA has been upgauged to the 77W. The daily MIA-EZE-MIA route currently operating is AA 907/908, not 996/997 and yes, from today, it looks like it is going to be a 77W up from the 772. I believe Argentina is actually putting some limits on inbound arrivals (pax numbers) or something...

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by dcajet
Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

AA996/7 MIA-EZE-MIA has been upgauged to the 77W.

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by dcajet
Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Star Peru suspends operations
Replies: 16
Views: 4042

Re: Star Peru suspends operations

hope they return flying and that this buys some time I have used them a few times on their 146-100/200s. Sad; to see so many airlines slipping into the history books because of the travel restrictions They had been skating on thin ice for sometime now, the pandemic is just the "coup de grâce&q...

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by dcajet
Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Star Peru suspends operations
Replies: 16
Views: 4042

Star Peru suspends operations

In the midst of bankruptcy rumors, the Peruvian domestic airline Star Peru has suspended operations until March 5th initially, citing low travel demand. https://elcomercio.pe/economia/dia-1/star-peru-al-borde-del-colapso-por-pandemia-haciamos-diez-vuelos-diarios-ahora-hacemos-entre-uno-y-dos-coronav...

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by dcajet
Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aerolineas Argentinas SVO-EZE
Replies: 20
Views: 3943

Re: Aerolineas Argentinas SVO-EZE

After weeks of grey skies we´re finally having a sunny day in Berlin. And as I was looking up at that blue sky (trust me, it´s not a common sight in Berlin in winter) I noticed a plane flying high. Of course I immediately checked on FR24 and I was very suprised to find out that it´s an Aerolineas A...

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by dcajet
Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated ITA/Alitalia News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1662
Views: 394316

Re: Updated ITA/Alitalia News and Discussion Thread

Alitalia has extended the suspension of the Rome FCO - Buenos Aires EZE route until May 31st. No doubt due to continued pandemic fallout, but probably influenced as well by the particular situation AZ/ITA is going through

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by dcajet
Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 316
Views: 31314

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Alitalia extended the suspension of the Rome FCO - Buenos Aires EZE route until May 31st. No doubt due to continued pandemic fallout, but probably influenced as well by the particular situation AZ/ITA is going through.

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by dcajet
Tue Feb 09, 2021 5:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 316
Views: 31314

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Emirates suspends all flights to Sao Paulo GRU, effective today, initially thru Feb 10th. Looks like they didn't. Daily services running as usual with some odd additional flights to LIM and SCL via GRU and also some direct services DXB-VCP-GRU. All 77W. Last week GRU had 3 EK departures/arrivals in...

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by dcajet
Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Very true. AA has a crew base at EZE and performs some light maintenance and deep cleaning on the 77W and 772s there. At peak, there are 3 x daily to MIA, and one daily to DFW and JFK and 3-4 weekly to LAX. Have flown JFK-EZE-JFK many, many times and it always goes out full for the most part and ca...

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by dcajet
Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Looks like a number of JFK long hauls (aside from the recently announced TLV and ATH routes) resume from the end of March, as of now, but obviously very much subject to change and in the pandemic world, 2 months away is an eternity where a lot can change quickly. JFK-EZE is a profitable route for A...

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by dcajet
Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: AA to cancel MIA-MVD?

Again, as mentioned multiple times, the flight is not seasonal. It is just not operating for summer 2021. Sorry, but even AA is calling it "seasonal" South America Flights to Montevideo, Uruguay (MVD) from Miami (MIA) will become seasonal, with service ending in May and resuming in Decemb...

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by dcajet
Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 316
Views: 31314

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Emirates suspends all flights to Sao Paulo GRU, effective today, initially thru Feb 10th.

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by dcajet
Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Looks like a number of JFK long hauls (aside from the recently announced TLV and ATH routes) resume from the end of March, as of now, but obviously very much subject to change and in the pandemic world, 2 months away is an eternity where a lot can change quickly. JFK-EZE is a profitable route for A...

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by dcajet
Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: AA to cancel MIA-MVD?

As discussed up thread, AA is not leaving Montevideo. Customers will continue to have the option of flying American Airlines non-stop to Miami. The way things stand today it will be only as long as their trip is from December to March. Otherwise, a connection at either EZE, GRU, SCL or PTY will be ...

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by dcajet
Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: AA to cancel MIA-MVD?

I'm generally happy for price competition, but 737 vs. 777, a connection vs. non-stop, adding three hours to travel time, and those arrival and departure times would demand a big, big discount to capture my interest. Interestingly, COPA have built their massive business based on those pillars: 737s...

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by dcajet
Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Looks like a number of JFK long hauls (aside from the recently announced TLV and ATH routes) resume from the end of March, as of now, but obviously very much subject to change and in the pandemic world, 2 months away is an eternity where a lot can change quickly. JFK-EZE is a profitable route for A...

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by dcajet
Sun Jan 31, 2021 10:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Argentina has requested all airlines to reduce frequencies on flights to Brazil (50%) and to Europe, Mexico and the US (30%), effective Feb 1st and initially for 30 days. Consequently, there are changes on AA flights at EZE. * AA907/8 MIA-EZE remains at 1 daily with 77E * AA996/7 DFW-EZE goes from ...

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by dcajet
Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 316
Views: 31314

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Argentina has requested all airlines to reduce frequencies on flights to Brazil (50%) and to Europe, Mexico and the US (30%), effective Feb 1st and initially for 30 days How in the world would this change anything. Instead of 60 Pax on a plane now there will be 120. Makes no sense like most of the ...

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by dcajet
Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 316
Views: 31314

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Argentina has requested all airlines to reduce frequencies on flights to Brazil (50%) and to Europe, Mexico and the US (30%), effective Feb 1st and initially for 30 days

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by dcajet
Thu Jan 28, 2021 11:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Argentina has requested all airlines to reduce frequencies on flights to Brazil (50%) and to Europe, Mexico and the US (30%), effective Feb 1st and initially for 30 days. Consequently, there are changes on AA flights at EZE. * AA907/8 MIA-EZE remains at 1 daily with 77E * AA996/7 DFW-EZE goes from d...

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by dcajet
Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Short-haul aircraft like KL 747 Combi?
Replies: 63
Views: 6839

Re: Short-haul aircraft like KL 747 Combi?

I remember that KL used to operate the 747-400 Combi but is there any short-haul aircraft that operates as a combi? If not is there any chance that Boeing/Airbus could make an exception to change one of their A320/B737 to make it a combi if an airline were to order it? Was thinking of it just now a...

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by dcajet
Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss returns to EZE
Replies: 10
Views: 2791

Re: Swiss returns to EZE

andrej wrote:
Interesting news. I hope this connection lasts. However, is B77W really going to spend more than 24 hours in EZE?


Crew rest.

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by dcajet
Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss returns to EZE
Replies: 10
Views: 2791

Re: Swiss returns to EZE

Absolut nonsens! This is not correct and true at all, the flight will be officially EDELWEISS, but operated by swiss! There will be no flight LX90! swiss is selling the flight as codeshare LX:SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIR LINES FOR EDELWEISS AIR Flight number: LX 8090 or WK: WK 90 operated by SWISS Inter...

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by dcajet
Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss returns to EZE
Replies: 10
Views: 2791

Re: Swiss returns to EZE

Swiss is very creative in new destinations being opened up for cargo only. So why not sell some tickets on top! Great to see this development! Good to see Swiss back at EZE; Swissair and then Swiss had been a presence at EZE for 50+ years until Mother Lufthansa pulled the plug in 2005! Argentina an...

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by dcajet
Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 316
Views: 31314

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Aerolineas Argentinas is returning today one 737-800, LV-CTB (30478/997), leased from Carlyle Aviation Partners. Route is EZE-SLA-MIA; the SLA-MIA leg is scheduled for close to 7.5 hrs. Both CTB and CTC are the oldest 737-800 in the fleet and were due to be returned upon expiration of their leases. ...

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by dcajet
Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Swiss returns to EZE
Replies: 10
Views: 2791

Swiss returns to EZE

Swiss last operated pax services at EZE in 2005 but during the pandemic, it has been operating to EZE with cargo services, nonstop from ZRH with 77W equipment. From Feb 1st, LX will also carry passengers on the Buenos Aires flights, with one weekly frequency. Edelweiss flies between the two cities, ...

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by dcajet
Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 316
Views: 31314

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

Alitalia suspends Rome FCO - Buenos Aires EZE service during February and March, resuming in April; last flight will leave EZE on 31/1.

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by dcajet
Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 316
Views: 31314

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

https://fr24.com/SAS7005/26a2d39b


Cargo most likely. Same reason TAP is flying nonstop Lisbon to Curitiba with A339.
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ojjunior wrote:
Does anyone know why is SK flying to GRU as we speak?

7XXX flights means what?

It's been several years since last SK visit to GRU.

SK7005 from Copenhagen to Sao Paulo https://fr24.com/SAS7005/26a2d39b


Cargo most likely. Same reason TAP is flying nonstop Lisbon to Curitiba with A339.

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by dcajet
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Longest Lufthansa flight: 13,700km Hamburg - Falkland Islands
Replies: 39
Views: 11420

Re: Longest Lufthansa flight: 13,700km Hamburg - Falkland Islands

Argentine media reports that the Argentine Foreign Ministry announced today that Lufthansa made a formal request for overflight and landing before the National Civil Aviation Administration and the province of Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica and the South Atlantic Islands, thus implicitly recognizing A...

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by dcajet
Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1447
Views: 245350

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

Looks like AA is about to launch JFK-TLV:- https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/american-airlines-to-launch-new-direct-new-york-israel-flights-656256/amp The flights are set to begin on May 6, and will take place daily throughout the year between Ben-Gurion Airport and JFK in New York. Tickets will be...

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by dcajet
Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Longest Lufthansa flight: 13,700km Hamburg - Falkland Islands
Replies: 39
Views: 11420

Re: Longest Lufthansa flight: 13,700km Hamburg - Falkland Islands

Good Luck trying to come from Hamburg and find a seat to Mount Pleasant with Latam I am pretty sure LATAM has not been flying to MPS both from SCL or GRU since the pandemic broke out. The only way to reach the islands by air is via the RAF/AirTanker service from Brize Norton. Are they allowed to di...

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by dcajet
Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021
Replies: 316
Views: 31314

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2021

LEVEL with some cuts on the only 2 routes the airline is currently operating:

* Barcelona BCN - Buenos Aires EZE goes from 3x to 2x w during 3 weeks in February
* Barcelona BCN - Santiago SCL to be suspended in February and March (currently at 1x w)

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by dcajet
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy
Replies: 387
Views: 87296

Re: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy

dcajet wrote:
Pending confirmation, but it appears the nonstop SCL-FRA-SCL rotation (a new flight planned for 2020 and which never started due to COVID) falls under the same category of no dates for its beginning and subject to the outcome of bankruptcy proceedings.


Confirmed, same fate as the other flights.

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by dcajet
Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy
Replies: 387
Views: 87296

Re: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy

Pending confirmation, but it appears the nonstop SCL-FRA-SCL rotation (a new flight planned for 2020 and which never started due to COVID) falls under the same category of no dates for its beginning and subject to the outcome of bankruptcy proceedings.

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by dcajet
Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy
Replies: 387
Views: 87296

Re: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy

And GRU-MXP is gone too?!! Color me surprised if AMS pops up all of a sudden :-) Edit: And possibly GRU-JNB & TLV too? From a source at LATAM: all 5 routes are suspended indefinitely and subject to the outcome of the bankruptcy proceedings. Ouch. Not at all surprised about GRU-TLV. BCN-GRU/LIM ...

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by dcajet
Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy
Replies: 387
Views: 87296

Re: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy

Don't know if mentioned before, but LATAM has removed of its website the flights from Sao Paulo and Lima to Barcelona, the first of which had been operating for almost a decade. And GRU-MXP is gone too?!! Color me surprised if AMS pops up all of a sudden :-) Edit: And possibly GRU-JNB & TLV too...

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by dcajet
Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy
Replies: 387
Views: 87296

Re: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy

Don't know if mentioned before, but LATAM has removed of its website the flights from Sao Paulo and Lima to Barcelona, the first of which had been operating for almost a decade. Not sure about BCN, but GRU-LIM-GRU is currently operating as LA8104/5, A320, 5x w. Sure, I meant GRU-BCN and LIM-BCN whi...

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by dcajet
Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy
Replies: 387
Views: 87296

Re: Updated: LATAM files for Bankruptcy

aviator2000 wrote:
Don't know if mentioned before, but LATAM has removed of its website the flights from Sao Paulo and Lima to Barcelona, the first of which had been operating for almost a decade.


Not sure about BCN, but GRU-LIM-GRU is currently operating as LA8104/5, A320, 5x w.

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by dcajet
Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian News and Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 120
Views: 24637

Re: Norwegian News and Discussion Thread - 2021

Sorry to see Norwegian and their Red Nosed 787 leave Gatwick. Norwegian became a large airline in the UK to USA market plus many routes from the USA to CDG, FCO, AMS and BCN. They even flew from Gatwick to EZE & GRU. Too bad it ended the way it did. GIG, not GRU. Norwegian flew to EZE for aroun...

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