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by unrave
Thu May 16, 2019 12:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

edealinfo wrote:

I am curious why Vistara opted for the B777 when it could have picked Jet’s A330 which would have allowed their A 320 pilots to be cross trained to the A 340.

Could the 4 B777 be heading to Vistara ?

Because Vistara's future long haul fleet is B787

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by unrave
Thu May 16, 2019 12:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Regarding who is repoing 77Ws, it could be Goyal cashing in. A shell owner asks a (brand name W) trust manager to manage the asset and a (brand name C)servicer to manage the lease. Very easy to hide the actual owner, by the time CBI follows the paper trail, too late. Imagination - George RR Martin ...

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by unrave
Thu May 16, 2019 12:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 347
Views: 35395

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

edealinfo wrote:
Could you elongate or be more specific regarding your thoughts? You innuendos are difficult to decipher

Apparently IndiGo will shut down soon given the rift between the promoters. That is the wisdom gained from advanced molecular biology course.
Edit: corrected typo

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by unrave
Thu May 16, 2019 9:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 77
Views: 12266

Re: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019

MSN 8583 VT-WJA GoAir A320neo #33 was delivered yesterday (15MAY19)
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A320neo Go Air VT-WJA by Tobias Gudat, on Flickr

MSN 3063 VT-GOT GoAir A320ceo left the fleet on 10MAY19.

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by unrave
Thu May 16, 2019 9:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

DGCA de-registers 83 aircraft of Jet Airways -de-registers 67 B737s, 8 ATRs, 2 B777 and 6 A330s -considering requests for de-registeration of 11 more planes -considering requests for de-registeration of 3 B737s, 6 ATRs, 2 B777s Now unless you are an advanced computer science student you should know ...

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by unrave
Wed May 15, 2019 2:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 347
Views: 35395

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

So Spice in the end did end up getting the most amount of slots. I love how they don't release by what system they decided the slot allocations. If you followed the news you'd know the only criterion for allotting slots was the ability to induct aircraft without cutting domestic capacity elsewhere....

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by unrave
Wed May 15, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Aviation Ministry to meet all airlines on May 17th to discuss re-allocation of international routes of Jet Airways.

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by unrave
Wed May 15, 2019 1:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 347
Views: 35395

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

No good deed goes unpunished, for outing the Jet's slot distribution plan which forced SG to share slots with others, What exactly happened? Was it illegal? Do you have a credible source to back your claims? Your statement is barely comprehensible. Indigo will be taught a lesson. Who will teach Ind...

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by unrave
Wed May 15, 2019 12:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 347
Views: 35395

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

avier wrote:
In any case, I'd side Gangwal's judgement and vision for the airline. Bhatia will be more like say Ajay Singh in decision making. Hence the murmurs of WB orders & business class recently.

Absolutely. Ganagwal is the main dog. Bhatia is useful to the extent of "managing" the ecosystem.

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by unrave
Wed May 15, 2019 11:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 347
Views: 35395

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

All is not well at IndiGo. Bhatia and Gangwal are having a fall out over differences in their vision for the airline. They have each hired a law firm to iron out the differences. It is popcorn time!

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by unrave
Wed May 15, 2019 1:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 77
Views: 12266

Re: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019

MSN 8928 VT-IJB IndiGo A320neo #78 was delivered yesterday (14MAY19)
Image
F-WWBJ Airbus A320 Neo Indigo by @Eurospot, on Flickr

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by unrave
Wed May 15, 2019 1:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 77
Views: 12266

Re: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019

debonair wrote:
Any idea why A320ceo MSN4393 VT-IKG was painted but ntu by IndiGo?

We speculated about the long delays between IndiGo getting their old ceos painted and their deliveries and one of the reasons suggested was the global shortage in seats. As good a guess as anything else.

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by unrave
Tue May 14, 2019 3:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

CEO, HR head and Company Secretary all quit the airline today

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by unrave
Tue May 14, 2019 2:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

unnayan wrote:
One question for my understanding... Sahara acquisition was one of jets mistake.. but how were they haunting twelve years late too.. they did have some profitable quarters in between...

Again this is just for understanding..no bias

That was only one of the many missteps.

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by unrave
Tue May 14, 2019 2:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

So why do you think Vinay Dube continued to say that int'l ops were lucrative for the airline and that the airline should expand internationally during those days ? I have no way of knowing why he said that. It was the same Vinay Dube who was chasing domestic market share to compete with IndiGo in ...

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by unrave
Tue May 14, 2019 1:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Jet Airways CEO, Vinay Dube has resigned following the resignation of CFO, Amit Agrawal. Curious to see his next stop. If in India ; GoAir seems ideal, since they haven't yet filled up their top exec posts. I think his services will be better used outside India. In a country with underlying structu...

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by unrave
Tue May 14, 2019 1:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

binayak wrote:
Now no airline in the world can announce route wise profits but obviously if the revenue contribution of those routes are high, they're lucrative indeed.

That is not logically consistent. A small fleet can contribute to 70% of the revenues and still be highly unprofitable.

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by unrave
Tue May 14, 2019 12:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

I just think the pieces of Jet that have value should be sold off so the banks can recover money and value that was created is not lost. This has been repeated ad nauseam. What are the pieces of Jet that have value? What exactly should the banks have sold in a timely fashion? Please provide respons...

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by unrave
Tue May 14, 2019 12:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

From blaming NG, you seem to now blame pax for an airlines failure. Interesting. No. That was my response to the complaint that Jet's demise was leading to a time waste for frequent fliers 9W's long hauls were most profitable for them. Citation needed. If PSBs sell-off valuable assets, how will GoI...

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by unrave
Tue May 14, 2019 7:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Time is there for everyone to waste after all !! Now corps will fly the longer route one stop too. That's what most of the people here want i e literally gift the entire int'l traffic from India to ME3 . Who cares whether it's good for India in the long run or is it a missed opportunity ! After all...

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by unrave
Tue May 14, 2019 2:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

lightsaber wrote:
How long was SpiceJet grounded before it came back?

A couple of hours

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by unrave
Tue May 14, 2019 1:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Exeiowa wrote:
Are there any recent examples of airlines that stopped flying to restart after a few months and how did they end up? These would make Intresting case studies and see how they differ or are similar.

Nope, airlines once grounded do not come back.

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by unrave
Mon May 13, 2019 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

1700 Cr is probably what EY ready to pitch in. Is that 1700 Cr 20% payment of 8500 Cr debt with 80% write-off. Who is EY's local partner and how much they are investing are kept secret. UAE has a $1Billion in NIIF. Hypothesis Assuming EY's 1700 settles 8500 bank debt and banks are out of the board....

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by unrave
Mon May 13, 2019 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Who cares about DXB and SIN. Those are the only cities that are maxed out and the only cities the airlines are talking about. That said, Those will get sorted. I have been talking about true long haul wide body flying. EU, USA, Canada could all be started today if Spice and Indigo wanted. Those are...

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by unrave
Mon May 13, 2019 1:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IndiGo places firm order for 300 A320neo family aircraft
Replies: 116
Views: 27183

Re: IndiGo Prepares for Another 'Large' Airbus Order

dtw2hyd wrote:
though A220 will have the same engine as MAX.

Simple FACTCHECK: FALSE.
A220 uses the PW GTF and MAX uses the CFM LEAP which are not remotely similar.

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by unrave
Mon May 13, 2019 1:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Spice and Indigo have totally flailed in coming up with a plan to replace Jet’s international capacity. This statement pretty much sums up the reasons behind my complaints: what a load of falsehood. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: MoCA is currently holding discussions with all Indian airline regar...

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by unrave
Sat May 11, 2019 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Jet had $3.83 Billion(27,000 Crores) in annual revenue. 23,000 Jobs (150,000 including family members) Whatever Jet was spending was adding to the economy. Whatever employees were spending added to the economy. That is gone forever. Indian Taxpayers lost 8,500 Crores anyway. The hypothetical saving...

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by unrave
Sat May 11, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

And he lacks that concern too; of trying to recover the money. That's my point. The video and the way he speaks about it, suggests it all. So no need to hail the great banker here. I also fail to see what's so right about him and his attitude. Because in the grand scheme of things of Indian banking...

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by unrave
Sat May 11, 2019 5:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Ya, but his comment was, Jet's NPA is not worth discussing compared to his gross NPAs. That is contrary to a.net financial experts consensus opinion, "this is huge". It is 7 bps. A tiny amount. Masters in Computer Science experts were saying it would bring down Indias banking system if Je...

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by unrave
Sat May 11, 2019 4:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

And that SBI chairman clearly doesn't seem to care whether Jet survives or not, or whether the loans turn NPA's or not, afterall it's a tiny amount compared to the NPA's from other bankrupt cos. or fraud individuals. ;) This is Indian banking and their heads with the most lackadaisical attitude and...

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by unrave
Fri May 10, 2019 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

dtw2hyd wrote:
Glad to see some bids. Now, wait until May 23.

Why? What will happen on that day that is relevant to the bids?

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by unrave
Fri May 10, 2019 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

EY's bid is still conditional.

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by unrave
Fri May 10, 2019 12:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

SBICAPS will scrutinise the bids over the weekend

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by unrave
Fri May 10, 2019 12:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 347
Views: 35395

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

dtw2hyd wrote:
On any given route operator with the lowest trip cost wins the financial race. The operator with the lowest CASM wins the internet.

Can someone translate this into English please. I did not study Masters in Computer Science course.

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by unrave
Fri May 10, 2019 8:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 77
Views: 12266

Re: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019

MSN 8655 VT-IUC IndiGo A321neo #3 was delivered yesterday (9MAY19)
Image
DAVYU 8655 IGO by xfwspot, on Flickr

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by unrave
Thu May 09, 2019 4:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

dtw2hyd wrote:

Mumbai probably has a half a dozen $Billionaires who can invest in Jet. If GoI sincerely asks UAE, EY would have invested more. Delta has several $Billions of cash reserves.

And they are all queueing up to give away their $Billions to Jet Airways.

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by unrave
Thu May 09, 2019 1:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Pan Am was Amreeka's #1 International carrier. It carried several million international passengers and billions of ASKMs.

Others grabbed slots, filled the vacuum and made the industry bigger and stronger.

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by unrave
Thu May 09, 2019 3:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 77
Views: 12266

Re: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019

airboss787 wrote:
How many more 320neo does Air India have on order? Can't seem to find any information on that.

AI placed an order for 27 neos all of which have been delivered.

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by unrave
Thu May 09, 2019 2:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 77
Views: 12266

Re: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019

MSN 8736 VT-WJH GoAir A320neo #32 was delivered yesterday (8MAY19)
Image
F-WWBD Airbus A320 Neo Go Air by @Eurospot, on Flickr

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by unrave
Thu May 09, 2019 2:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019
Replies: 77
Views: 12266

Re: Indian Airlines Orders and Delivery Thread - 2019

MSN 8922 VT-IZX IndGo A320neo #77 was delivered yesterday (8MAY19)
Image
F-WWIO Airbus A320 Neo INdigo s/n 8922 by @Eurospot, on Flickr

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by unrave
Wed May 08, 2019 8:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

That guy is a hack.

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by unrave
Tue May 07, 2019 5:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019
Replies: 347
Views: 35395

Re: Indian Aviation Thread - May 2019

Ronojoy Dutta has confirmed that IndiGo is in talks with Airbus to place another large order including the Airbus A321XLRs https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-07/airline-built-on-airbus-jets-prepares-for-another-large-order?utm_medium=social&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-markets&ut...

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by unrave
Tue May 07, 2019 3:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

CaliguyNYC wrote:

Don’t you know BOM is horrible to connect through.

I for one avoid BOM like the plague.

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by unrave
Mon May 06, 2019 3:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

If anything, Jet's shutdown has affected small town residents the most. Try flying now from Vadodara or Coimbatore to Europe/Amreeka. They have very few single ticket airline options, or probably even none! Either they pay through the nose or settle for long wait hours with possible re-checkin thro...

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by unrave
Mon May 06, 2019 1:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

CaliguyNYC wrote:

The anti Jet and anti BOM people are the ones who are infatuated.

Stating facts is not being anti anything. Jet is a failed airline. BOM is not premium enough to sustain a FSC hub operations.

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by unrave
Sat May 04, 2019 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Taking the big picture view, I speculate that 5000km was to also limit to widebody flights for these regs were written before NEO/MAX exceeded promise (to others, real range < 85% brochure range). Lightsaber 5000 km from DEL rule was put in place to ensure the mega hubs to the west and east of Indi...

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by unrave
Sat May 04, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

edealinfo wrote:
The open skies agreement with Sri Lanka is kind of redundant.

No it is not. Research better to figure out the difference between bilats with SL vs Nepal.

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by unrave
Sat May 04, 2019 5:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

edealinfo wrote:

2. Indigo - used Subramanium Swamy (SS) to file cases against Jet, and then against AirAsia India and Vistara, and now turns against SpiceJet.


Credible source for this claim?

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by unrave
Sat May 04, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

Do you think India's other airlines "Spicejet" and Indian Airlines will survive when Jet Airways is closing down ?? If Modi becomes PM, 6E will have a target on its back, if some other becomes PM, SG will have a target on its back. What 9W case proved, it is very easy for government cutof...

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by unrave
Sat May 04, 2019 1:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Jet Airways: News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1997
Views: 258153

Re: Jet Airways: Shutdown

dtw2hyd wrote:
Everyone except depositors/taxpayers will emerge unscratched including Goyal, that is the beauty.


I wonder what advanced course teaches that being left without what was once a billion $ company is called "emerging unscathed"

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