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by flipdewaf
Sun May 08, 2022 7:50 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

The enjoyment is as a result of the consumption of the candy, cause is candy, enjoyment is effect. The sickness is as a result of the consumption of the candy, the cause is sweets, the sickness is the effect. Both the enjoyment and the sickness are effects. Often referred to as a Y-Y correlation. T...

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by flipdewaf
Sun May 08, 2022 7:16 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

People should be made to suffer consequences for enjoying themselves is a great argument for pro choice. Apparently people need to face hardships if they indulge in activities you don’t agree with My ten year old son would eat candy all day if I let him. The consequence would be he'd get sick to hi...

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by flipdewaf
Sat May 07, 2022 10:31 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Everyone has sex (mostly…) and it’s a fun thing to do. Why does there have to be a potentially negative consequence, when we’ve devised a way to get rid of that consequence? There has never been a better argument for pro life than this. Your honesty is very refreshing. That argument being that Peop...

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 2:01 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

https://byjus.com/biology/parasite-definition/?msclkid=f5efe718cd3f11ec867a59df257a8444 "A parasite is a plant or an animal that lives on, or with, or inside a larger species extracting nutrients." https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/parasite?msclkid=54de71f3cd4111ecb318e7...

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 1:47 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

I can't believe we are continuing to engage someone who calls a fetus a parasite. I understand the definition of parasite, but you are saying that in a derogatory fashion. My kids can't survive without my recourses, does that make them parasites? According to the CDC: A parasite is an organism that...

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 1:43 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

One important issue in the discussion of access to legal abortion is why a woman has or had one. I disagree that its important, why should someone need to justify autonomy over their own body. It might be important for someone trying to justify their position in controlling someone else's body. Fred

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 1:35 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Again, there are risks in everything we do. Pregnancy is one, driving a car, playing sports, doing a minor operation. I am sure most of those deaths are preventable, if . However, 600 or 800 deaths from 3 to 4 million pregnancies per year. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/vsrr012-508.pdf That's a...

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 1:22 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Right, some people die sleeping too. Are we going to be afraid of sleeping? People die, its our natural way of life, we won't be here for ever. No way to avoid it. If a woman is at risk of dying during pregnancy, I think in most places, an abortion is permitted and allowed. https://reproductiverigh...

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 1:19 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

There is a mandate from government to take care of a child, I think I mentioned it above in this thread. Its child neglect laws. Once they are born its our duty and responsibility to take care of them, if not we are to be prosecuted if we just let them rot and die. Equating donating an organ to a w...

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 1:10 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

There is a mandate from government to take care of a child, I think I mentioned it above in this thread. Its child neglect laws. Once they are born its our duty and responsibility to take care of them, if not we are to be prosecuted if we just let them rot and die. Equating donating an organ to a w...

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 1:04 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

No, parents shouldn't be forced to donate. However, if they let their child die, they will be prosecuted. They will have to do everything within their possibilities to find a solution. Not let him die in their home, without no care. Same applies to abortion. No one is forced to raise a child, if th...

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 12:38 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Should the government force a mother or father to donate a kidney to their child who would otherwise die without it? They created the child, so they have the responsibility to protect that innocent life, don't they? No, parents shouldn't be forced to donate. However, if they let their child die, th...

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 11:24 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Your quote shows that it was Tugger that brought up animals in response to me saying humans have been given the responsibility to create life. So again, I was just continuing Tuggers line of reasoning about every living thing on earth. I agree it doesn't have much bearing on this discussion, but it...

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 10:58 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

The killing of their young is irrelevant, that was put out there by another poster not me. I did not start the whole line of reasoning, I did partake in it, but not start it. I just pointed out that no animals chose to have apportions. I didn't bring it up though. The original sequence of posts is ...

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by flipdewaf
Fri May 06, 2022 9:31 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

The future of earth’s civilization is looking into Asia and Africa. Countries that have a higher reproductive rate than 2, whats needed to keep the human race alive and not exctinct. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, we need to have excellent and amazing conditions to even consider the conti...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 7:20 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

To everyone, the key thing that everyone needs to know and accept is that abortions will not stop because of any ruling. They will continue. And with the interconnected world we now have it will not be all that hard for anyone that does want one to have one. The shame is the misery that it can caus...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 6:23 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

No, I am presenting the other side of the argument. Financial reasons are not a valid reason to end a life, if that is in fact what a fetus is. Back to the crux of the disagreement, when does life begin? Financial reasons can absolutely be a reason to have an abortion, but it isn’t you decision so ...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 6:15 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

I'm not dismissing them at all. But in the context of ending a possible human life, yes those reasons are for the convivence of the mother. So are you against contraception? I wasted so much human life as a teenager! Fred Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk An unfertalized egg and sperm, having only...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 6:11 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

I'm not dismissing them at all. But in the context of ending a possible human life, yes those reasons are for the convivence of the mother. You are, in effect, dismissing those reasons if you are willing to ban abortions. No, I am presenting the other side of the argument. Financial reasons are not...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 5:27 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

You don't think that financial reasons, timing, don't like your partner, need to focus on other children, etc. aren't convivence reasons? BTW, its not about winning or losing, its about listening, learning, and growing. I guess that is lost on a lot of people. Convenience means being able to plug-i...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 5:04 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Its around 96.5% from this pro life site. I can't find any pro-choice sites that actually show a percentage. https://www.hli.org/resources/why-women-abort/?msclkid=e0270369cbc511eca54b48b324bc5529 This NIH pages shows 6% of abortions were due to health of the mother and 1.2% other (presumably this ...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 4:44 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

The UK apparently only allows abortion when there is a health risk to Mother. Germany is 12 week limit with mandatory counseling and only certain exceptions thereafter. Spain is 14 weeks with health exceptions after. So the new FL law is generally more progressive than most of Europe. LOL UK is 24 ...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 4:38 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

What difference does ‘convenience’ make, the reason for women choosing to use their body is of no consequence. Same old dragging the debate away from choice to moral obfuscation. Is someone’s reason for owning a gun or choosing a particular sky daddy important? A woman shouldn’t have to have a reaso...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 4:01 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Unless the fetus is a life and as such has rights to be protected. The crux of the debate, Nope! The crux of the debate is agency over ones body. The fact that someone else feels they are entitled to force someone to feed a parasitic life form against their will is quite frankly horrendous. Fred Yo...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 3:57 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

the fetus you create become part of that circle whether you like it or not. Sure, but that is not a legal argument. It is not up to others to decide how inclusive that circle is for a pregnant mother. Unless the fetus is a life and as such has rights to be protected. The crux of the debate, Nope! T...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 3:27 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

zhiao wrote:
I agree having a baby is a huge inconvenience. I am for abortion. Is anyone else also for doing the same to old people? They are even worse.


All I'll say is that we often show more dignity to the animals...

Fred

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 3:26 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why do we "check in?"
Replies: 72
Views: 8429

Re: Why do we "check in?"

If you don't, then you don't fly. How else does the airline theoretically know you are actually travelling? No check-in, no boarding pass! But I don't "check in" for the train. Why would someone need to know if I'm traveling or not, if my bum isn't on the seat then I'm not traveling, same...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 2:56 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

We are not talking about cases where the mothers health is in question. OBFUSCATION! her body her choice! What about if I am at no risk from being forced to give blood? Even to a man I've hit in my car! Fred For real, give up on that comparison. Its not even close. It's a person who is alive (more ...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 2:53 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

bpatus297 wrote:
Again, the difference is if the fetus is a life
That's debatable, the fact that a person I hit in my car is less debatable as to being a life but yet we cannot agree to be forced to giving blood. A strawberry is a life...

Fred

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 2:46 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Except that your need for a kidney or blood transfusion is not connected back to the action of the forced donor. The person getting the abortion (minus the .5% for rape an incest) is in that position due to their actions. Again, you have to deal with the consequences of your actions, if you get pre...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 2:43 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

The point is that some people view the fetus as a life and abortion is tantamount to murder. I'm not saying that's right, science doesn't have a consensus of when life begins. A fetus is life? Is grass life? is a cow life? Is a chicken egg life? We are talking about human beings, not cows and chick...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 2:37 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Suppose you got kids, would you kick them out of your house if they are minors? what right gives that son or daughter of yours to occupy your house? and would you be OK if your parents had kicked you out of their house when you were 1 years old or 2? Just because they thought you did not have any r...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 2:33 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Tissue (blood) and organ donation are not even in the same ball park as a fetus. I'm not suggesting they are, I'm suggesting that even if a foetus is a life then the equivalent is the person who needs a blood transfusion or kidney. I cannot be forced to give my kidney to a person no matter how dese...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 2:16 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Suppose you got kids, would you kick them out of your house if they are minors? what right gives that son or daughter of yours to occupy your house? and would you be OK if your parents had kicked you out of their house when you were 1 years old or 2? Just because they thought you did not have any r...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 2:09 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Suppose a fetus is a person (I personally don't think this is true, but let's suppose). What gives that person the right to occupy space inside another person against their own will? Is there some constitutional right to occupy space inside another person prior to birth? Which amendment is that? Su...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FAA to prohibit many flight operations due to risk of ‘5G’ wireless interference
Replies: 530
Views: 72458

Re: What happened to the 5G problem?

Some aircraft encountered problems but mysteriously none of them reported to the tower on arrival so...

Fred

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 1:28 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

There’s nothing wrong with that - belief, like religion, is an inalienable right. But belief, whether religious or not, is simply how you feel about something and should not extend to control over other people’s private conduct. And just because something may be a life why should you be forced to g...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 12:34 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Because it's not necessary. Roe invoked the 14th amendment, there was nothing new to be written. And it's only a polarizing issue because some people can't keep their religion-based morality out of other people's business. I know that this is going to get flamed, but if you believe the fetus is a l...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 12:25 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Is anything much done in the US to reduce the abortion rate, noting that the lowest rates are in countries where abortion is legal? Well you can reduce abortions with comprehensive sexual education, which Republicans hate, Or widespread access to contraceptives, which Republicans hate, Or strong so...

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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 9:40 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

If the intention is to leave parasites embedded in victims who don’t want them utilising the bodily resources are we going to see an increase in lyme disease?

Fred


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by flipdewaf
Wed May 04, 2022 6:14 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Re: Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

The solution is so simple, if you don't want to have an abortion, don't have one, but don't deny the freedom of others to have one. For me, it is quite bizarre to see that a political court can have such an impact on society. It seems to be an undemocratic institution with quite some power. The fun...

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by flipdewaf
Tue May 03, 2022 1:19 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Updated: US supreme court overturns abortion rights, upending Roe vs. Wade
Replies: 1133
Views: 54708

Supreme Court is preparing to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

I don’t get it, if you don’t like abortions then don’t have one. Why does someone else get to choose if someone’s body has to play host to a parasite? Are we to expect that it’s reasonable to force someone to give up their blood to help a dieting person? Weird! Fred Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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by flipdewaf
Fri Apr 29, 2022 9:57 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Operating costs: 2x A321XLR vs 1 widebody
Replies: 14
Views: 3330

Re: Operating costs: 2x A321XLR vs 1 widebody

You are really asking if the CASM is lower on an XLR versus a widebody. All things being equal the CASM is higher on a smaller plane. That’s because the weight of the airframe per seat increases the smaller plane is. That’s not true, in fact it’s almost the opposite. The larger the model the heavie...

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by flipdewaf
Sun Apr 24, 2022 5:06 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution
Replies: 41
Views: 2601

Re: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution

Seems to work in Singapore. In what sense does it “work”. Either way I believe in an eye for an eye so see ya buddy. In what sense do you believe in it? Do you believe in it in that it’s a thing that someone can do or a way in which they can behave or is your ‘belief’ in the fact that behaving in s...

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by flipdewaf
Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:13 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution
Replies: 41
Views: 2601

Re: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution

It’s not much of a deterrent at the moment, its application is poor. I believe it would be significantly more effective if A. more people were sentenced to death and B. when sentenced it doesn’t take decades before they are put down. Is there any evidence to show any effect as a deterrent? Sent fro...

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by flipdewaf
Sun Apr 24, 2022 8:33 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution
Replies: 41
Views: 2601

Re: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution

Is there any evidence that capital punishment works as a means to reduce crime or is it just retribution that makes people feel better? In every year from 1990-2019 the murder rate in US states with the death penalty has been higher than the murder rate in those without the death penalty. https://d...

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by flipdewaf
Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:55 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution
Replies: 41
Views: 2601

Re: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution

It would be far more effective if people sentenced to death didn’t spend decades in prison before it’s carried out. If they were given a single appeal within 24 months of conviction, if that fails they are put down with 2 months and that’s it. “far more effective” suggests it has a degree of effect...

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by flipdewaf
Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:31 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution
Replies: 41
Views: 2601

South Carolina planning a firing squad execution

Is there any evidence that capital punishment works as a means to reduce crime or is it just retribution that makes people feel better? What happens with a miscarriage of justice with capital punishment? Fred Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk It would be far more effective if people sentenced to dea...

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by flipdewaf
Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:23 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution
Replies: 41
Views: 2601

South Carolina planning a firing squad execution

Yes, let's equivocate helpless toddlers trapped in the womb with convicted murderers. I assume by toddler you mean foetus(yay for education) but I agree with you, it’s a silly equivalence, one of them in unequivocally a human being the other is much less less definitive… Fred Sent from my iPad usin...

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by flipdewaf
Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:39 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution
Replies: 41
Views: 2601

Re: South Carolina planning a firing squad execution

Is there any evidence that capital punishment works as a means to reduce crime or is it just retribution that makes people feel better?

What happens with a miscarriage of justice with capital punishment?

Fred


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