Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Blue passports? 50p coin? You mean those blue passports which the UK will now abandon the current british manufacturer over and is instead now ordering from a franco-dutch company who are manufacturing them in Poland and which will then have to be imported (with import duty paid!) to the UK? Those ...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Uk abandon eu arrest warrant https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/27/uk-to-withdraw-from-european-arrest-warrant Only consistent when you're turning the UK into a safe haven for tax evaders and other wealthy scoundrels to further incentivize Tory donations. And this: https://www.spiegel.de/...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

tommy1808 wrote:

You think those "democrats" in London will allow them a vote to leave?

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Why this guy, repeating the same message proved wrong for the last 4 years at least, can still be interviewed like a respectable source ??? The nickname in the German car industry for us is treasure island . . . we are a highly profitable, very important market. That's not even funny anymore. https...

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Newsflash: UK government insisting on unfairly tilting the playing field towards the UK, shocked to find out the EU isn't actually keen on letting that happen: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/25/downing-street-rejects-eu-opening-trade-offer “We agree the UK’s trade with the EU is signi...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Will be interesting to see the British reaction to this shocker clause, as it puts the UK's government before a binary choice almost immediately and without any warning There have been plenty of warnings all along the whole Brexit process: The EU has never left any doubt about its priorities; The U...

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CAP + rural development is close to half of the EU budget. Nope. The entire budget sector which among other things contains the CAP is only a bit above a third, 39% in the current budget period. https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/eu-budget/spending/topic/eu-funding-programmes-2014-2020_en You could...

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You all realize that 350 million per week divided per 450 million people is less then 1 euro per person and week? Per year we talks about 50 euro per person. The difference in butget discussioon is less then 0.1% of national gdp per year. Still way too much. That is quite obviously just a pretense ...

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That whole raft of additional bureaucracy that needs to rebuilt in the UK because it can't use the common european institutions any more will be expensive, too, both erecting it and then feeding it for the duration, Is that really such a bad thing? All those jobs which were part of the function of ...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

You all realize that 350 million per week divided per 450 million people is less then 1 euro per person and week? Per year we talks about 50 euro per person. The difference in butget discussioon is less then 0.1% of national gdp per year. Still way too much. That is quite obviously just a pretense ...

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The ugly truth is that the EU is demanding trade-offs. India and China are also going to come in with demands that won’t sit easy 10 Downing. As is everyone else. This is the reality of all negotiations. I see a lot of it - even the ECJ stuff - as posturing to allow late concessions. But the ideolo...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Well airbus are now longer leaving the UK as previously predicted. And if they do ever stop making the wings in the UK, they won’t be moving production to the EU. It will be off to China. They are in the UK because: 1. the UK was in the EU 2. the UK was part of the same aviation authority which mad...

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The EU also said they will never reopen the WA either but they did, it might be subtle but it has changed along with the positions. Nope. The EU position was "The WA cannot be re-opened as long as the UK sticks to its current red lines! " Boris caved and threw out Theresa May's red lines ...

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Yep it is ambitious I agree, but the Treaty of Rome had only taken 9 mths to complete ...after years of serious bi- and multilateral talks and actual convergence efforts! That claim of yours is about as silly as saying that an olympic athlete just one day got out of bed and ran a world record with ...

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I dread to think what the European news agencies feed people on the continent. We had it bad enough with the BBC. Yeah, the nowadays infamously weak-kneed BBC hasn't covered itself with glory at all during the whole Brexit saga. They've basically been led by the nose by lying, cheating, misleading ...

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The EU has been embedded in your societies and not resisted enough so you all become complacent. Well, as these threads have been shown long before, during and now after Brexit, we simply know a lot better what the European Union actually is and what it isn't, while the bizarre fantasies you've bee...

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At the end of the day, the UK government wants to invest money in NHS, farming, customs controls, increased civil service and many other areas. There are limits as to how much the UK government can loan in the market and bills have to be paid. Honestly, I'd never even thought about the direct cost ...

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No you claimed that being in the Schengen Area made it easier for cross border policing , all I’m showing is that it’s not the case at all. Yes, it absolutely is! It’s actully easier in the UK a police officer in Wales can make arrest in Scotland It is mostly irrelevant who's making the arrest as l...

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So you're not aware of the European Arrest Warrant, apparently, which is one of the things the UK is throwing away with Brexit. Yes I am awere of the European Arrest Warrant scheme Doesn't look like it. That's pretty much also how the EAW works No: it does not give the right for another nations con...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

The UK is one nation my friend. Only occasionally, when the idea happens to suit you; At other times, the UK is suddenly four individual nations. And in reality it's neither of the two, really, but stuck in a dysfunctional halfway state with plenty of frictions caused by that incomplete state wich ...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Wow you are an expert now on UK migration law. None of what I've posted had anything to do with migration law! These are your words “The UK doesn't have a problem with a "huge influx of migration", if anything it has problems with its own crappy and obsolete citizenship system”. Please en...

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The statistical correlation is too strong to dismiss it out of hand like that. But you have automatically accepted it. As plausible , given the evidence, not as proof! Listen to the chap from Wales. He knows more about Wales and Welsh current affairs than you. Clearly not, as his claim is diametric...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Let's have a look at that: Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales aren't even consullted on how the "UK" is handling Brexit. Those decisions are made exclusively in No.10 in and by England alone and based primarily on english votes in the referendum (including english people currently livin...

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noviorbis77 wrote:

Wow you are an expert now on UK migration law.

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“the English people living in Wales”. Honestly Klaus, that’s one of the best things I’ve heard all day. You have me in stitches and it’s made for some brilliant Sunday night comedy. It was the Welsh who voted for Brexit. I live in Wales so i know so. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/22/...

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England is a country, the other ones are colonies dressed as part of an "Union". Luckily England and it’s 3 colonies became independent from a “union” that dresses colonies as “members”. Let's have a look at that: Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales aren't even consullted on how the &quo...

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Bad faith need not be assumed. The EU will look after itself. Trade with the UK will be enabled in so far as it is beneficial to the EU. Does anybody have a problem with that? And the UK will do the same. The difference is that for the EU a severe limitation of cross-channel trade is a mere bump in...

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Hmmm. The union has been perfectly successful for hundreds of years and still is now. The EU is a relatively new organisation power grabbing. Brexit is a clear example for the UK being anything but a "Union": England and Westminster are calling the shots and the other merely colonized reg...

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The UK is a country. The collection of EU states aren’t countries. All EU member countries are "countries", obviously, and that is not a problem other than for xenophobes. We can’t have huge influx of migration into our country. The UK doesn't have a problem with a "huge influx of mi...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

That's actually you're bias showing through No, the arguments you guys have been bringing for why no borders across the UK are great but no borders across the EU are horrible have just turned out to be nothing more than flimsy pretenses to obscure the real reason: Plain and simple xenophobia , noth...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Like every policy implement by governments or institutions there are unintended consequences, I'm not going to defend or fight the reasons behind Schengen. Yes there are pro's and con's that come with Schengen; Does it make life easier for law abiding citizens?...... yes it does. Does it make life ...

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Oh really? Agricultural products will remain edible after a journey to Australia? And can be produced and shipped at a price that remains competitive against massive industrial farms in the US, Canada and Australia? How relevant do you think your distribution sector is to any of those countries? Co...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Like every policy implement by governments or institutions there are unintended consequences, I'm not going to defend or fight the reasons behind Schengen. Yes there are pro's and con's that come with Schengen; Does it make life easier for law abiding citizens?...... yes it does. Does it make life ...

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Sure. All of that applies for the CTA as well. Or for that matter, free movement between union of Britain’s four nations. Point being: any criticism that applies to schengen, applies to the CTA and free movement within the UK. Hence the general amusement at the regressive nature of some of the pro-...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Under the terms of the transition period the UK has to completely comply with EU rules, that would also imply that the continent also cannot change the rules to suit themselves. Nope. That is specifically not true ! The EU will continue to adapt its rules as it sees fit as it has always done, the U...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Agreed. Being part of the EU is not really necessary for an island nation. There's no real difference to continental nations, through – see Cyprus, Malta or Ireland, for instance! If you ignore the Irish border, that is (which most leavers do). Yeah, but that's also the main reason why Ireland is n...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Indeed. And we can have fun turning away EU citizens at the UK Border we cannot be satisfied meet the immigration rules. It's amazing that some people think a slide back into the 19th century is all they want. The EU citizens who use to turn up in Calais without valid ID used to get very upset when...

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Via Heathrow, why set foot into the EU? More UK connections will be done via heathrow in the future rather than AMS. Flybe are launching more domestic routes and BA have just announced newquay. You won't escape the more onerous entry checks to the EU from the brexited UK either way, which is simply...

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The failed euro is a product of the EU. Try again. The Euro keeps working perfectly well as far as I can see. That problems with certain national fiscal policies still need to get resolved doesn't change that. That work needs to be done anyway, and the UK's approach of just shrugging it off and may...

Re: Anti EU within EU27 decreasing

Sorry it was the pm of uk not boris,) :-) https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-10773007/cameron-uk-strongly-supports-turkey-eu-membership-bid Actually, Boris was a big proponent of getting Turkey into the EU, just before he discovered that it would be more useful to him to use exactly that as a ...

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At the end of the day It’s new treaty because you couldn’t get the treaty changed, irrespective of the outcome it still an example of veto being an illusion. Don’t like the outcome we will just make a new treaty be dammed of the about perception that the EU honours laws and legislation of the TEU. ...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Exactly, the whole Eu politics was anti-UK. When the UK vetoes a proposal no other country must be allowed to go ahead with it. That applied only as far as the UK actually participated in the policies in question. You can't first opt out and then still demand to control what you just opted out of! ...

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I think that is in deed the intend of the WA, but the wording only says UK citizens have the same rights as they used to with regards to being allowed to enter/exit and residence, but it doesn't say they get that as de facto EU citizens. Having a different Immigration lane isn't discriminatory, and...

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A very simple question: who elected Dominic Cummings, the de facto actual real PM ? All western governments are run by advisors and civil servants, catch on :roll: The press take a particular liking to cummings as he ran vote leave. It's called scrutiny , something that used to be common in democra...

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A Brexiteer who was forced to wait in an immigration queue at an EU airport in Amsterdam has complained that "this isn’t the Brexit I voted for” . ... also Express and Daily Mail reader i guess. Because how deep was the hole he lived in for the last couple of years to not know that is one of t...

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No matter how many ways you want to dress it up, it still a mechanism which the EU used to get around the veto because it could not get its own way, something not unusual for the EU. No you're still not getting it: "The EU" has no agency except for the one based on political decisions mad...

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It does not diminish from the fact that the EU circumvented the veto by establishing a treaty within a treaty that not all members had a say in. There's nothing to "diminish" because that is just nonsense. "The EU" did nothing at all there as administrative EU institutions are s...

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BAD news for the Eu: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1241679/brexit-news-latest-eu-budget-talks-brussels-eu-crisis-guy-verhofstadt/amp Yeah, your lying tabloids need to ratchet up their lying pressure now that they need to distract you from the consequences of what th...

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It’s getting to the point that the EU might as well federalise with a central government basically that’s what you are advocating with the comment about the US. Interesting point... Would you say that the US is worse off with a federal government than if it had remained a loose collection of Indepe...

Re: Brexit Part 8: the UK government saying what I want is full access and divergence

Are you saying that UK, as EU member, was participating in finding ways against itself ? You've been brainwashed by the "us vs them" rethoric, I'm afraid. You are funny mate, Cameron used the Veto in 2011 and was subsequently gone around by the rest of the EU, as I said veto is an illusio...