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F-14 Tomcat

Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:37 pm

Does anyone Know when the F-14's are being retired. That will be a sad day when that happens. If their are any Navy Pilots out their, what do pilots like better the F18 or F-14
 
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:52 pm

The last F-14 squadron will be withdrawn in 2010. I agree it'll be sad to see the F-14 go, but at least the Super Hornets are looking in the squadron colors of the old F-14 squadrons that have transitioned over.
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:29 pm

You have to agree, however, that 40+ years of first line service is not too shabby for any fighter. The Crusader was relegated to recon roles after "only" 30 years.
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:35 pm

The pilots in my squadron never wanted the Hornet or the "Super" Hornet. They wanted the F-14D followed by the NATF. Sadly the F-14D program was cancelled after 55 aircraft and the NATF never left the drawing board.
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:33 am

LMP, wasn't the NATF going to be a single-seater? If so, what did the RIOs in your squadron want seeing as how they'd be as jobless as A-6 B/Ns once the ATF had entered the service
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:49 am

Garnetpalmetto:

The original artists rendering of the NATF depicted a single seat aircraft. It's possible that the NATF could have evolved into a two seat aircraft. Guess we will never know. The RIO's naturally would have wanted a two seat version of the aircraft. They also knew however that the best thing for Naval Aviation in the long run would have been the F-14D/NATF route.

Lets say for the sake of argument that the NATF would have been a single seat aircraft. Quite a few of the RIO's in my squadron would have been retired by the time the NATF entered service. It's been over ten years since the first flight of the ATF and it still has not reached full operation capability. For the others aircraft such as the E-2C and EA-6B would have been a possibility. Yes, some would have been out of a job. Just as some F-14 RIO's are out of a job when their squadron transitions to the F/A-18E. VF-14 The Tophatters are an example of this.
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:56 am

Aren't the Tophatters the only former F-14 squadron transitioning to the -E though? I read somewhere that all the others were transitioning to the -F and that VFA-97 (still flying the -A), newly created squadrons with the names and numbers of A-6 squadrons, and squadrons flying older F/A-18Cs would get the -E. If I'm confused or wrong I'd appreciate the clarification!
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Sun Jan 11, 2004 9:30 am

That I do not know. Somehow the navy is going to have to make room for the JSF. Can't seem to remember if the current F/A-18C units will transition to the JSF recommision A-6 squadrons. Or will the navy transition half of those units to the JSF and the other half to the E model.
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Tomcat To Super Hornet Schedule

Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:26 am

The F-14's time is slowly coming to and end. By 2007 the F-14 should be retired from the Navy's fighter squadrons. Here is the schedule.

Several F-14 Tomcat squadrons have already transitioned to the F/A-18 E/F.

VF-14 "Tophatters" and VF-41 "Black Aces" were the first Tomcat squadrons to transition to the Super Hornet. VF-14 became VFA-14 and actually transitioned to the F/A-18E. There will only be a few Tomcat squadrons to transition to the Echo model. VF-41 became VFA-41 and transitioned to the F/A-18F. These two squadrons are "sister squadrons" and deploy together. They both now have one deployment under their belts with the Super Hornets and have garned combat sorties over Iraq during the war.

The next Tomcat squadron to transition was VF-2 "Bounty Hunters" after returning from a successful deployment on the Lincoln and taking part in Operation Iraqi Freedom, VF-2 turned in their F-14Ds for F/A-18Fs.

Here is the remaining squadrons their current Tomcat models and when they will transition.

2004: VF-154 "Black Knights" F-14A - F/A-18F
2005: VF-32 "Swordsmen" F-14B - F/A-18F
VF-103 "Jolly Rogers" F-14B - F/A-18F
2006: VF-213 "Black Lions" F-14D - F/A-18F
VF-211 "Flying Checkmates" F-14A - F/A-18F
2007: VF-11 "Red Rippers" F-14B - F/A-18E
VF-143 "Pukin Dogs" F-14B - F/A-18F
VF-31 "Tomcatters" F-14D - F/A-18F

So, technically by 2008 the F-14 should be retired. Obviously there can be changes in the layout of this process. The only squadrons to transition to the F/A-18E are VFA-14 and VFA-11. That is because those squadrons deploy in Air Wings that currently have 2 Tomcat squadrons and only one squadron can operate the F model.


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More Information On F-14 And F/A-18 Transition

Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:31 am

Here is more information.

VFA-102 "Diamondbacks" transitioned from the F-14B to the F/A-18F during the 2003 fiscal year. I'm sorry for the previous oversight of this squadron. Also, right now all of the Super Hornet squadrons are based out of NAS Lemoore. Training for the Super Hornet is provided by VFA-122 "Flying Eagles" Within 1-2 years a training squadron for the Super Hornet will also be based out of NAS Oceana. This will allow for squadrons transitioning to the Super Hornet from having to change their home base from Oceana to Lemoore.

Several squadrons who currently operate the F/A-18A and C will also transition to the Super Hornet albeit the Echo model. Here is their schedule along with current aircraft.

Currently operating the F/A-18E and F/A-18F out of NAS Lemoore are

F/A-18E/F VFA-122 (FRS) "Flying Eagles"
F/A-18E VFA-115 "Eagles"
F/A-18E VFA-14 "Tophatters"
F/A-18F VFA-41 "Black Aces"
F/A-18F VFA-102 "Diamondbacks"
F/A-18F VFA-2 "Bounty Hunters"





2003:

VFA-137 "Kestrels" F/A-18C - F/A-18E
VFA-22 "Fighting Redcocks" F/A-18C - F/A-18E

2005:

VFA-81 "Sunliners" F/A-18C - F/A-18E

2006:

VFA-86 "Sidewinders" F/A-18C - F/A-18E

2007:

VFA-105 "Gunslingers" F/A-18C - F/A-18E
VFA-146 "Blue Diamonds" F/A-18C - F/A-18E
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Mon Jan 12, 2004 7:37 am

You forgot the now VFA-102 Diamondbacks. They've transitioned to the F/A-18F from their F-14Bs.
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:44 pm

The History Channel recently had a "Modern Marvels" show about the F-14, from its inception to its current role today. The plane is amazing considering it was created in the late '60's and is still extremely viable today
 
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Tue Jan 13, 2004 1:42 am

Grumman put out some well-built aircraft, KROC. Look at the fact that the majority of the aircraft types on a carrier deck are Grumman products and how old their designs are. It's pretty amazing to think that we have front-line aircraft that can still kick ass that were designed in the 1950s and 1960s.
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:39 am

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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Wed Jan 14, 2004 8:38 am

They did'nt call Grumman's Bethpage facility the "Grumman Iron Works" for nothing! Grumman prduced some very tough aircraft in it's glory day's. To bad the facility is no longer in use. At least the E-2 is still in production in St. Auguastine, Fl.
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:48 pm

We'll continue to see the F/A-18C in for awhile...I always understood that the real priority was getting the F-14 out. Afterall, some of the -C model Hornets are Block 13, 17, etc...newer Night Attack ones that can stand to be in for awhile. The VFA-86 Sidewinders have some of the oldest -C model Hornets in the inventory..they'll be glad to be rid of em!

Love seeing em prowl around Jacksonville...too bad NAS Cecil Field wasn't still open for em to perch at...ahh one day I'll have a seat on it!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Sun Jan 18, 2004 6:14 am

What's ironic is that the full potential of the F-14 was never fully realized. For the first thirteen years of it's operational life the F-14 had that proverbial albatross around its neck otherwise known as the P&W TF-30. Many an F-14 was lost due to problems with that engine. That and the fact the aircraft was underpowered with the TF-30. It was not until the introduction of the GE F110 that the F-14 could be flown to the limits of the airframe and not the engine.

The F-14D is what the Tomcat should have been all along. Engines with plenty of thrust and a more capable/reliable digital avionics suite. However even then there was room for improvement. There were plans for a Quickstrike F-14D. It would have included software upgrades to the APG-71 that would have improved its air-ground capabilities. In addition the Quickstrike Tomcat would have been able to carry weapons such as the HARM and Harpoon.

Unfortunately this was not to be.
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:06 pm

We are still repairing the TF30s here in Oceana while two or so squadron here still operates these engines which are a pain in the butt. The USS Enterprise has a squadron currently on deployment that operates F-14A series which ops the -30s.

In about 7 months, we will discontinue service on the TF30s as these will eventually start to fade out, same with the F-14B and D series which operates the F110-GE-400 engines which they will be in service til approx. 2007 or so.

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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:09 am

Gocaps16:

A fellow AD! Of my four years in the USN, three and a half were at NAS Miramar working on F-14A's. I was working the day the first F-14D arrived at Miramar. What a sight to be seen, unfortanetly the D program was cut short. Wished I had been able to work on the B or D model
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:52 am

This fall, VFA-106 "Gladiators" out of NAS Oceana will receive their first Super Hornets, E's & F's. They will serve as the training squadron, or "RAG outfit." Training for the C/D "Legacy" Hornet and E/F "Super" Hornet will be conducted side-by-side, in the same command. Eventually, -106 will become all E/F, as the Legacy models are phased out.
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:22 am

I think it would have been interesting if instead of the Super Hornet program, the Navy had undertaken a "Super Tomcat" program. Don't get me wrong, the F-14D is quite capable, but I think another leap forward from there would have made for an awesome airplane. Would have been neat to see the resulting F-14E Tomcat with new F110s, avionics, radar, and capability to carry the variety of air-to-ground ordinance that the Super Hornet can.
 
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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Thu Mar 04, 2004 5:32 pm

Don't get me wrong. I love working on the tomcats.

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RE: F-14 Tomcat

Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:02 am

Gocaps16:

I didn't mean to imply that you did not enjoy working on the Tomcat. Sorry about that.  Smile

I'll admit that when I was working on the F-14A I had a few choice words for the aircraft. Especially when I had to do a mid-mod throttle cable change on the left engine. Talk about a nitemare! You can tell that when Grumman built the airplane they never thought that the cable would actually might have to be replaced at some point in time.
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