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Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:00 am
by N328KF
Do other nations that operate the Hornet (mainly thinking of Australia here, but could be Spain or Canada) perform full-fledged takeoffs and landings on US CVNs, in order to obtain/maintain that skillset?

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:55 am
by Contact_tower
I really don't think they have that set of skills in the first place!
No need to get it eighter......  Smile

I know there was something in AFM about french crews doing landings on a US carrier with a E-2, and that landnings with the Rafaele was planned, but I get forgetful in my old age......  Big thumbs up

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:24 pm
by L-188
I don't know about any F-18 nation carrier qualifying any of their aircraft or pilots.

That being said, The Argentines used to shoot approaches and touch and goes off US carriers passing in their waters with their Entendards (How however it is spelled) after their carrier was retired. Since the US ships didn't have the appropriate launching bridles on the ship, where was no way to catapult the aircraft, actual landings did not occur.

Seen video of it, on Discovery channel or History channel or something.

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:51 am
by 320tech
I understand that there have been some Canadian F-18 pilots who have served on exchange with the USN or USMC (one was killed just a couple of weeks ago in a USMC F-18). They would get carrier qualified if that's what their job entails.

Otherwise, Canada doesn't do anything to obtain carrier quals.

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 6:12 am
by LMP737
While there has been no "cross-decking" of F/A-18's there has been cross decking of USN E-2C and French Navy E-2C's.



http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/images/enduring41.html

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:57 am
by PPGMD
L-188,

Brazil did some touch and goes with their A-4's a few weeks back, on the USS Reagan.

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:38 am
by dl021
None of the non-US users f the F-18 operate them as naval aircraft nor do they own carriers that could support this aircraft. The nations that do touch and gos on US carriers are France, Argentina and Brasil. They use their own carrier aircraft (all of US or French origin) but not any F/A-18ac.

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:42 am
by LMP737
One thing that would keep Spanish Air Force F/A-18's from cross decking is that the launch bars have been removed. You could land but not take off!



http://www.freefoto.com/preview.jsp?id=22-08-12

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:41 pm
by Pronto
No, none of them do, or are equiped, but that would be pretty nice if they were and they did!! It would bring a new light to "Joint Exercises"

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 7:51 pm
by jwenting
I'd guess those launchbars could be quickly retrofitted if needed but that's beside the point  Smile

Strangely the Spanish retain the far heavier wingfolding mechanism and use it reqularly despite having room to park the aircraft with wings extended.

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:40 pm
by Saint-Exupery
At least one Swiss !! pilot landed on a carrier. Perhaps to train for the new Nimitz-class carrier the Swiss Navy is due to receive 2005 for service on the Lake Geneva...
http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=8595

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:42 am
by LMP737
Saint-Expuery:

Your link reminds me of the time I ran into a Royal Navy exchange pilot at NAS Miramar in the early 90's. I had just left the base gym when I saw a pilot with wearing a USN issue flight suit and a VF-124 patch on it. This in and of it's self is not odd. What he was wearing on his head was. He was wearing a RN officers dress uniform cap. USN pilots typically wear their garrison cap or a squadron ball cap when they are wearing a flight suit. Guess he left his ball cap at home.  Big grin

Jwenting:

If I'm not mistaken all export F/A-18 retain the wingfold mechanism. Probably not cost effective to design and build a wing without it.

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 12:02 am
by mdundon
Following the crash related death of the Canadian pilot flying a USMC F18, I read in the Canadian press that there are over 100 Canadian Armed Forces pilots on exchange in the US. They are fully integrated into the squadrons and would perform carrier landings if that is what their posting requires.

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carri

Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2004 4:13 pm
by flynavy
I know Kuntz, well, sort-of personally. I've launched his jet numerous times. Referring to the link above...

RE: Other F/A-18 Nations Crosstraining On US Carriers?

Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 12:19 pm
by 320tech
100 Canadian air force pilots on exchange in the US? That sounds awfully high to me. We only have about 1500 pilots, I think, not all of whom are flying. We're also quite short of pilots.

Canadian F-18's retain the wing fold mechanism, launch bar, and tail hook, but I believe the launch bar has been de-activated. The tail hook and wing folds still work, though.