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luisde8cd
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Chilean F-16s

Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:20 am

Hey all,

I was wondering where the F-16s will be based... My guess is up north near the Bolivian/Peruvian border. Why? Because if Chile ever enters a conflict with their neighbors it would be Bolivia first and Peru second. Also could you guys provide the total number of F-16s ordered, are they brand new?

Thanks for your replies.
 
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RE: Chilean F-16s

Thu Sep 16, 2004 3:49 am

http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article9.html
http://www.f-16.net/index.php?module=pagesetter&func=viewpub&tid=5&pid=3

In summary, the order is for 10 new built F-16 Block 50 aircraft (6 of them single seat -C models, and 4 -Ds) to be delivered in 2006 and based at Maquehue (wherever that is).

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RE: Chilean F-16s

Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:40 pm

I allways asked myself.. do just 10 Airplanes change the balance of power's in a huge way?
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RE: Chilean F-16s

Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:57 am

Maquehue????!!!! That's Temuco! (Región de la Araucanía), in the not so south.
If you asked me where would I place them, I would place them up in the north (Iquique or Antofagasta), Santiago and Punta Arenas, although 10 F-16 aren't that much.

ARGinMIA, I don't think 10 airplanes change the balance of power. An usually in our neighbour countries (Peru and Bolivia) it's said that Chile is in an arms race...YEAH RIGHT...Chile is just renewing its old A-37 fleet, nothing else.


 
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RE: Chilean F-16s

Fri Sep 17, 2004 2:42 am

Make no mistake, those 10 F-16s will change the balance. Bolivia has nothing that can match them and no defense against them. An A-37 and the F-16s that replace them are radically different aircraft.
 
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RE: Chilean F-16s

Fri Sep 17, 2004 4:08 am

The only country that can match those F-16s is Peru. They have a couple of MiG-29s.
 
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RE: Chilean F-16s

Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:11 am

What about Brazil and Argentinia?

Neither of those countries are particularly weak, and are in the same sphere's of influence.
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RE: Chilean F-16s

Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:04 am

Argentina's military is relatively weak after the Falkland Islands defeat in the 80s... And Brazil doesnt share a border with Chile.
 
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RE: Chilean F-16s

Fri Sep 17, 2004 8:38 am

Well, Brazil has 2 aircraft carriers. If I'm not mistaken, no other south american country has them.
 
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RE: Chilean F-16s

Fri Sep 17, 2004 10:23 am

Lan - the Brazilian Navy only has a single aircraft carrier, the ex-Clemenceau, now the Sao Paulo. And yes, after the Argentines scrapped the Vientecinco de Mayo, the Brazilians became the only South American nation fielding a carrier.
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RE: Chilean F-16s

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:23 am

Lan Fanatic: The ZCO (Temuco) airport is MaquehuA, not MaquehuE.
Remember that Chile has many secret bases in the desert, with airfields and everything. How secret are they? not much I guess, nothing a good satellite wouldn't see.

Luis: I really don't see Chile with any armed conflict with any of our neighbors, although if I HAVE to guess, I would say Peru would be first to Bolivia in the remote-chance-conflict-list. I think after all Bolivia claims a lot about the Pacific access, but they have behaved as a very pacific oriented country (nice of them!). Peru has a little more aggressive orientation; remember Ecuador in the 90s, the threat of a conflict with Chile in the 80s and the usual incidents in our borders.

I think we are in very good relation with Argentina; there will always be some suspicion, but nothing to be really scared about. Brazil, Ecuador, Colombia, Venezuela, Uruguay, Paraguay... always been good friends of Chile.


But, science fiction question... what would happen in the case of an armed conflict... lets say Chile/Peru... Would the rest of the South American countries take party or support any of both countries? I would expect Bolivia supporting Peru (although not necessarily military support). I would expect Ecuador supporting us... What would happen with Brazil or Argentina? Would they stay neutral or would they support any? Would those answers change in the case of a conflict Chile/Bolivia and Chile/Argentina? Thanx God this is only Sci Fi.

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RE: Chilean F-16s

Fri Sep 17, 2004 12:59 pm

Just because they don't share a border, doesn't mean that they are out or reach, The carrier being the prime example.

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RE: Chilean F-16s

Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:59 pm

But, science fiction question... what would happen in the case of an armed conflict... lets say Chile/Peru... Would the rest of the South American countries take party or support any of both countries? I would expect Bolivia supporting Peru (although not necessarily military support). I would expect Ecuador supporting us... What would happen with Brazil or Argentina? Would they stay neutral or would they support any? Would those answers change in the case of a conflict Chile/Bolivia and Chile/Argentina?

I guess is that all countries would try to find a diplomatic solution in an OEA/OAS emergency meeting rather than taking sides. But if the conflict starts because of any sea-access dispute, then Im almost sure that Chávez will support both Perú and Bolivia. Regretfully for us Venezuelan, that lunatic doesnt represent the will of the Venezuelan people
 
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RE: Chilean F-16s

Sat Sep 18, 2004 9:17 am

Visit and explore:

http://www.saorbats.com.ar

It's one of the most frequently updated and accurate sites for the South American Air Forces, Navies and Armies (all except Chile!). Take a look at Argentina, and you'll notice that most of their combat aircraft are almacenado (stored).

Saludos,

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RE: Chilean F-16s

Sat Sep 18, 2004 1:53 pm

how big is the Venezuelan Air Force?
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RE: Chilean F-16s

Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:17 am

how big is the Venezuelan Air Force?

Big enough. Very powerful and modern. FAV F-16 pilots have ranked better than USAF pilots in some RED FLAG exercises. Here's a list of the a/c we have:

Fighters:
21 F-16s A/B
15 Mirage 50EV
33 F-5s

Attack:
30 OV-10 broncos
Embraer Tucanos
Embraer AMX (coming 2005)

Transport:
Hercules C130
hercules KC-130 (in flight refueling)
KC-707 (in flight refueling)
A-319CJ
B737-200
many citations, falcon 20, super king 350

Choppers:
Bell 212s
Eurocopter Cougar
Eurocopter Super Puma

The FAV recently donated all their old AT-33 training props to Bolivia.


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For more detailed info about Venezuelan Air Force visit this excellent website:
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