http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/eu...pe/05/10/russia.nato.ap/index.html
Story Highlights:
Russia's air force chief accuses NATO fighter planes of violating safety rules
He says NATO aircraft approach Russian bombers too closely and too often
Chief says fighter jets regularly "attack" Russian bombers over Arctic Ocean
Russia has itself been the subject of similar disputes in the past two years
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RE: Russian Fury At Nato 'air Attacks'
If the Soviets hadn't restarted their assault on NATO air defences they'd not get NATO fighters on their wings to drive them off.
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RE: Russian Fury At Nato 'air Attacks'
If you cannot stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
RE: Russian Fury At Nato 'air Attacks'
Nice to see the Russians are back to crying about the same things they cried about 20 years ago.
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| Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 3): Nice to see the Russians are back to crying about the same things they cried about 20 years ago. |
Some things never change. It would come as no surprise that U.S. officials have cried over the way Russian fighters intercept our spy planes over "international" waters and such.
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RE: Russian Fury At Nato 'air Attacks'
All wind and piss for domestic consumption.
Anyway, want to compare average NATO aircrew annual flying hours with their Russian counterparts?
If anyone is being not completely competent.................
Anyway, want to compare average NATO aircrew annual flying hours with their Russian counterparts?
If anyone is being not completely competent.................
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RE: Russian Fury At Nato 'air Attacks'
Let's see, what's the score so far?
1978, Russian Su-15's shoot down a Korean 707 under orders, even after intercept pilot states target is civilian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_902
1983, Russian Su-15's shoot down KAL 007 (747)
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_287.shtml
1987, Russian Su-27 collides with Norweigian P-3 after flying too closely. Truth be told, both the Russian & the P-3 crew both failed to follow international intercept guidelines- http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/intercept.pdf
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_287.shtml
I haven't found any information about US, NORAD, or NATO fighters colliding with Russian Tu-95's. So, who is the more credible source here?
1978, Russian Su-15's shoot down a Korean 707 under orders, even after intercept pilot states target is civilian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_902
1983, Russian Su-15's shoot down KAL 007 (747)
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_287.shtml
1987, Russian Su-27 collides with Norweigian P-3 after flying too closely. Truth be told, both the Russian & the P-3 crew both failed to follow international intercept guidelines- http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/intercept.pdf
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_287.shtml
I haven't found any information about US, NORAD, or NATO fighters colliding with Russian Tu-95's. So, who is the more credible source here?
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RE: Russian Fury At Nato 'air Attacks'
Here is a pretty complete list of incidents: http://home.comcast.net/~anneled/ColdWar.html
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RE: Russian Fury At Nato 'air Attacks'
Well, now the Russians have gone from playing with matches to using lighters? Man, things must be tough at home. Takes a fairly insecure, and parinoid tolitarian regime to produce this crap. Civil unrest may be more of an issue than we know? 
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RE: Russian Fury At Nato 'air Attacks'
The Russians can bitch all they want, nothing is going to change.
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RE: Russian Fury At Nato 'air Attacks'
Good to see the russkies back to their old tricks. Game on! Our Typhoons have had a nice workout due to TU-95 ELINT incursions. I suspect the entry to squadron service of the Typhoon was the overriding reason for these incursions, collect radar data etc....
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RE: Russian Fury At Nato 'air Attacks'
I personally would like to thank Russia for the extra 'real' training they are giving our interceptor crews. Keep 'em coming !!
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RE: Russian Fury At Nato 'air Attacks'
| Quoting Wah64d (Reply 10): Our Typhoons have had a nice workout due to TU-95 ELINT incursions. I suspect the entry to squadron service of the Typhoon was the overriding reason for these incursions, collect radar data etc.... |
My understanding is that there are no longer any ELINT bears left in service and all those Bears involved have been Bear F ASW or Bear H bombers. I think the getting of radar data is not the overriding reason, and the Bears are probably not capable of collecting the data.
The overriding reason is domestic politics. I doubt that they have learned anything about Typhoon from these intercepts, as I am sure that Typhoon is not using its full radar capabilities during these Fighter Controlled intercepts and visual tracking missions. I am certain the same can be said about the utilisation of radars on Raptor F-22 intercepts.
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