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C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:35 pm

Here is the latest on more aircraft inducted for modification.

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Young Gives C-5 Galaxy Re-Engine Program OK to Proceed with LRIP
Pentagon acquisition chief John Young has given the Air Force the go ahead to install new engines on a fourth C-5 cargo hauler, according to defense officials.

In a Jan. 17 acquisition decision memorandum, Young also gave the service the OK to buy and build the engines and other components for three Galaxy aircraft and purchase long-lead items for another five cargo jets, all part of the low-rate initial production phase of the acquisition program, according to an Air Force official.

Source: Inside Defense
 
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RE: C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:20 pm

About time. This was the original plan to start out at a low rate, 1 plane, then 3, then 5 at a time. I guess after they delivered 25 on Monday, they said, Oh! it flew! Okay then! NEXT!

They are supposed to get 6013 delivered either today or Tuesday.

Now I wonder which jet they'll induct next....
 
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RE: C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:37 am

What will be the maximum number of C-5Ms converted per year, once this program gets up to full production?
 
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RE: C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:56 am

The original plan had 9 aircraft per year at one point, but averaged 5. This was also based on 8 months per aircraft (which I think its more like 11 months per aircraft), and that full rate schedule was also based on doing the A models. I think it depends on how many they induct and when they induct them to determine how many per year they get done. It'll be mid to late 2010 before we see ship 4 roll out. I would estimate 5 a year once they get the line running.
 
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RE: C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:00 am

Thanks.

At an average of 5 per year (maximum of 9), that would have made it a 11-12 year long program. But now that the C-5A will not be modified to the C-5M (only the C-5B/Cs will be), cutting maximum production to 5 airplane per year streches it as a 12-15 year program (beginning in FY-2010, based on the remaining 80 C-5Bs and 2 C-5Cs). That is if the GE CF-6-80C engines are still in production.
 
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RE: C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:23 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
At an average of 5 per year (maximum of 9), that would have made it a 11-12 year long program. But now that the C-5A will not be modified to the C-5M (only the C-5B/Cs will be), cutting maximum production to 5 airplane per year streches it as a 12-15 year program (beginning in FY-2010, based on the remaining 80 C-5Bs and 2 C-5Cs). That is if the GE CF-6-80C engines are still in production.

Is it just me or doesn't it seem that that's entirely too long to be carrying out a modification program? Yes, there's a lot involved but by the time they get the last airplane modified the fleet will be overdue retirement.
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RE: C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:13 am



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 5):

Is it just me or doesn't it seem that that's entirely too long to be carrying out a modification program? Yes, there's a lot involved but by the time they get the last airplane modified the fleet will be overdue retirement.

I was wondering the same thing. It would seem that by extending the mods over such a long period of time, they are really risking having the costs rise.
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RE: C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:44 pm



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 5):

The B model fleet have another 50 years in them, at least. Its the A models that they were focusing on in the previous reports. They claim to have all the B/C models done by 2016-2017 timeframe. Its more costly to train additonal folks out there to modify the plane in a 3 year period than it is to keep one or two sets of people employeed over the long haul to modify and keep their jobs over a longer period of time. It additon to that, they don't want to take too many C-5s out of the fleet at one time. Between regular maintenance, AMP, RERP and unschedule maintenance, there would be only a handful of C-5s (or none for that matter) available.

Personally, I don't see a need to RERP the C models. Yeah, they are used once in a blue moon for NASA, but other than that, they are only used as trainers at Travis AFB, and thats when they aren't broke. Those two C-5s seem to have the crappiest MC rate of them all. Spending a bunch of money on them just doesn't make much sense to me (for the USAFs sake). There are a few outstanding A models that would benefit alot more.
 
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RE: C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:30 pm

Will they fly fly and fly the crap out of the C-5M to see how it acts and will they select the first crews for it as "get it done types" or "per diem hounds" who ground at the first sign of great per diem rates and friendly Hooters girls. If the per diem hounds are on the first missions it will make it look like the "M" is a waste of money. From my mx side I have seen some very questionable write ups to sit on the ground for 3 days after the MRT team signs it off as cannot duplicate and the crew then says good job chief. We all know in the USAF about this dirty little secret in the OPs world. Hopefully the first C-5M's will have ball busting acft commanders and get it done crew chiefs to see the true capability of this acft instead of the dereliction of duty per diem hounds.
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RE: C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:05 pm



Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 8):

I agree 100%
 
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RE: C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Tue Mar 03, 2009 4:03 am

The third and last system C-5B delivered to Dover. So far there are kits made for over 40 C-5's to be converted to the M standard.
http://www.airforce-magazine.com/Sit...ch%202009/Day03/022709lockheed.pdf
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RE: C-5M Update - Feb. 13, 2009

Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:37 pm

Next jet not supposed to be inducted until August 2009. Thats 15 months behind schedule from the original induction date of ship 4. We'll see how well they do on the first few production jets to see how long its actually going to take to get these things RERPed.

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