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Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:38 am

An American fighter jet shot down an Iranian drone as it was flying over Iraq, U.S. military sources in Baghdad tell wired.com's Danger Room. I didn't know that Iran even HAD drone aircraft!

Details of the previously-unreported shoot-down, which occurred last month, are still sketchy. But we do know that American commanders have long accused Tehran of supplying weapons and training to all sorts of Iraqi militant groups. Shi'ite militias fired Iranian rockets at U.S. troops in Iraq, according to the American military; Sunni militias allegedly used Iranian armor-piercing bombs to reduce U.S. vehicles to ribbons.

In early 2008, however, the torrent of Iranian weapons into Iraq slowed to a trickle, the U.S. said. And now, the new Obama administration is looking for ways to reach out to the Tehran regime -- dangling invitations to international conferences, and offering promises of renewed relations.

Which means the drone incident comes at a particularly sensitive time. Iran has built an array of unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs. The pneumatically launched Ababil ("Swallow") has a wingspan of more than 10 feet, and cruises at 160 knots, according to Globalsecurity.org. The Mohajer or Misrad ("Migrant") drone is a bit smaller, and slower-flying.

Iran has supplied Hezbollah, the Lebanese terror group, with both models. Misrad drones flew reconnaissance missions in both November 2004 and April 2005. Then, in 2006, during Hezbollah's war with Israel, the group operated both Misrads and Ababils over Israel's skies. At least one was shot down by Israeli fighter jets.

Source: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/03/us-jet-shoots-d.html

[Edited 2009-03-12 18:41:22]
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:23 am

You sort of answered yourself. A drone is a UAV. We called them drones back in the '40s through the '80s. They were unmanned radio controlled aircraft.

I am not surprized at the Iranians sending drones, or UAVs into Iraqi airspace.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:25 am



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
I am not surprized at the Iranians sending drones, or UAVs into Iraqi airspace.

The US should continue to shoot down any non-coalition, non-civilian aircraft in the Iraqi airspace.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:23 am

Alright!! Chalk one up for the good guys.  box 
By the way, would this be the first combat air-to-air kill of a UAV? I know that could only be the case if you don't count the V1s shot down in WWII, but those would be missiles which in my mind should be catagorized separately.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:51 am



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):

No this is not the first. Remember a little while back there was a Russian fighter that shot down a Georgia UAV? Here's a link to the video:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7358761.stm
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Fri Mar 13, 2009 12:42 pm

Israel shot down a Hezbolla UAV back during the war of 2006 too, with an F-16. I'm sure some Ryan Firebees were downed air to air backin Vietnam, and there is a video on the internet of an Iraqi MiG-25 downing a US Predator. The Predator did get a Stinger shot off, so at least it went down swinging!
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:48 pm



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 5):
there is a video on the internet of an Iraqi MiG-25 downing a US Predator. The Predator did get a Stinger shot off, so at least it went down swinging!

Yep, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWUR3sgKUV8 the commentary from CBS is pretty laughable nowadays but the footage is interesting.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:08 pm

I'll bet an E-3 AWACS piked up the Iranian drone before it entered Iraq. Do we know if the kill was made by an F-15, F-16, F/A-18, or even an A-10?
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:04 pm



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
or even an A-10?

"Warthog stomp" anyone?  Silly

I'm going to guess that this was a gun kill? Seems like a Sidewinder would have trouble locking and besides, it'd just be a waste.  Smile
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:24 pm



Quoting Spacepope (Reply 5):
he Predator did get a Stinger shot off, so at least it went down swinging!

That was funny, imagine if the Predator got a kill.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:40 pm

It's happened before...

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=23323&only&rss

and from the sound of things in the OP it seems as though it's overflown Israel on a number of occasions... May be the Iranians have a semi stealthy UAV or are using stealthy operating tactics....
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:10 pm



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 8):
I'm going to guess that this was a gun kill? Seems like a Sidewinder would have trouble locking and besides, it'd just be a waste.

Israel's kill was with a Python 4 missile.

Might as well use a Sidewinder, it's not like you can fly those things much without them needing rebuild or destruction.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:07 am

How about the MiG-25 that shot down a MQ-1 back in 2002 with one of those R-40 monstrosities?.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:33 am



Quoting Acheron (Reply 12):
How about the MiG-25 that shot down a MQ-1 back in 2002 with one of those R-40 monstrosities?.

lol... I guess you were too lazy to read this thread! Please note:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 5):
and there is a video on the internet of an Iraqi MiG-25 downing a US Predator.



Quoting Curlyheadboy (Reply 6):
Yep, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWUR3sgKUV8 the commentary from CBS is pretty laughable nowadays but the footage is interesting.



Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):

That was funny, imagine if the Predator got a kill.

 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:50 pm

Regarding:

>> The US should continue to shoot down any non-coalition, non-civilian aircraft in the Iraqi airspace.

What do we do about Turkey? F-16 against F16? What can we expect?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7146567.stm

 Wink
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:23 pm



Quoting Olle (Reply 14):
What do we do about Turkey? F-16 against F16? What can we expect?

A short fight and explanation that everything is ok because the Turk ejected safely.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:31 pm



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 13):
lol... I guess you were too lazy to read this thread! Please note:

Not really lazy, more like posting at 3 am.  Silly
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:14 am

UPDATE: Confirmed...

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=53495

Quote:
Coalition air forces tracked the UAV for nearly one hour and 10 minutes before the pilots engaged and shot it down "well inside Iraqi airspace," officials said.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:07 am

Yep, two F-15s and they said they're "examining the wreckage", so sounds like a gun kill, there wouldn't be much left if it was a Sidewinder. They probably just could've done a fast, close pass and knocked it down.  Silly
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:04 pm

You're really obsessed with this gun kill thing.

The missile hit on the last one by Israel pretty much had the same impact of hitting it with a wrecking ball, knocking the wings and tail oof of it. Most of the wreckage recovered (and they did recover a bit) was pretty recognizable.

 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:07 pm

Where is the proof that the UAV was "Iranian"?  Confused
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:48 pm

Have another question, if the a/c did not go off course, what exactly would Iran be looking for in Iraq?
Insurgents on the ground would have much more update intel than what can be gained by the UAV if operated by Iran, unless the data is downloaded in realtime to somewhere in Iraq. If an Iranian incursion was imminent, then yes, there is value in operating the UAV in Iraq, I could see Turkey doing something similar as they are continually having cross border incursions.

Maybe the US military industry now has another business option to make hunter killer UAV's, should be able to bring a "fighter type" Predator to market for a few hundred million, I can see numerous customers wanting them, certainely much cheaper to send up a gun and missile armed UAV over a fighter a/c to shoot down a unmanned a/c.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:06 pm



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
Where is the proof that the UAV was "Iranian"?

Someone's radar probably saw it take off from Iran.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 21):
Have another question, if the a/c did not go off course, what exactly would Iran be looking for in Iraq?

Nothing probably. They just want to piss off the Americans.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:31 pm

Reports are that the UAV was shot down by a USAF F-16 after it was tracked for more than an hour inside Iraqi airspace.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Tue Mar 17, 2009 5:49 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 22):
Nothing probably. They just want to piss off the Americans

Classic answer, should have thought of that one.  Smile

Quoting CX747 (Reply 23):
Reports are that the UAV was shot down by a USAF F-16 after it was tracked for more than an hour inside Iraqi airspace.

Is this similar to the US Marines during Gulf War I when they watched Iraqi armour rolling into Saudia Arabia via their UAV and could not get anyone on the horn to approve an air strike, was someone actually in shock that it took them over an hour to decide that shooting this UAV down would not result in a nuclear confrontation?
 
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Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:33 pm



Quoting Par13del (Reply 24):
Classic answer, should have thought of that one.

It's a new variation of the "I'm not touching you" routine.

Quoting Par13del (Reply 24):
, was someone actually in shock that it took them over an hour to decide that shooting this UAV down would not result in a nuclear confrontation?

I have no doubt that it took a decent amount of time to get cleared hot.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:05 pm



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 25):
I have no doubt that it took a decent amount of time to get cleared hot.

Over an hour??? if they tracked it for that long obviously they had radar coverage in place pointing towards Iran, would think that if you put up a dectection grid you would at least have some a/c nearby at least on standby not necessarily airborne, but Iraq is a big country, it could really be that no a/c are based close to the border for rapid response. I'm betting that because it was a drone they lowered the response, if it was a Mig or heaven forbid an F-14, different story.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:43 pm



Quoting Par13del (Reply 21):
Maybe the US military industry now has another business option to make hunter killer UAV's, should be able to bring a "fighter type" Predator to market for a few hundred million

A article in AWST not long ago ..showed a F-22 flying above what was essentially a swarm of AA UAV's. They looked like smaller predators and had some missiles loaded on them. ( It was a artist rendering )

Evidently the study was about ... a sort of a area Air Space denial by having long loitering UAV hunter's swarming about. The F-22 could control them and target via there sensors or something.. it makes allot of sense.
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:31 am

Iran intends to markedly increase the production of its UAVs and heighten the stealth capabilities of these drones.

"The U.S. military confirmed yesterday that it shot down an Iranian drone inside Iraq's airspace. But that probably won't be the last we see of Tehran's unmanned air force. Iran has started work on a drone-making factory, and is looking to ramp up its robot-plane production. The downed drone, an Ababil-3, is part of the country's fleet of unmanned aircraft; Iran claims that it is building more capable systems with longer range and "stealth" characteristics.

Earlier this month, the Fars news agency reported that Farnas Aerospace had broken ground on a new facility in northern Iran for manufacturing drones and helicopters.

Hamed Saeedi, managing director of the company, was quoted as saying the company planned to build short-range drones at the plant. The aircraft, he said, "will be of the tactical type, with a short range of 400 to 500 meters flying altitude which cannot be detected by radio waves as they will be stealth aircraft."

The purpose of this "stealth" technology is a bit mysterious. According to the news item, these drones would be employed for civilian missions: detecting contraband trafficking on land and at sea and assisting in firefighting operations. But the article also quotes an Iranian air force Brig. Gen. Hassan Shahsafi as saying the country would produce domestically designed "radar-evading aircraft" that would be added to the country's fleet within the next eight months. "Military experts are working on the radar-evading aircraft and God willing its test flight will be done in the first half of the next (Iranian) year (beginning on March 20)," he said.

As Noah noted previously, Iran has built an array of unmanned aerial vehicles; it has supplied Hezbollah, the Lebanese terror group, with both Misrad and Ababil drones. At least one was shot down by Israeli fighter planes."

Source: http://blog.wired.com/defense/2009/03/iran-ramps-up-d.html
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:30 pm

Iranian Air Defense Radar: "Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself."

Aircraft: "This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace."

Air Defense Radar: "You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!"

Aircraft: "This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!"

Air Defense Radar: (no response ... total silence)
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:21 pm

MCIGuy ya killed a good thread, let hope no Air Force or Navy types are around  Smile
 
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RE: Usaf Shoot Down Iranian Drone Aircraft Over Iraq

Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:57 am

There are two Donnybrook moments in our near future:

The first is the time when UAVs get into a remotely controlled dogfight and one shoots the other one down.

The second is the inevitable occasion when a UAV attacks a manned aircraft and scores a kill.

Out there, somewhere at a computer terminal, is the Oswald Boelcke of UAVs.

Check your six.

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