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RE: P-8A Status?

Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:25 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 197):

Hopefully, this acquisition would go more smoothly than the Wedgetails.

The funding of the money is the one of the last step in the acquisition process for the Australian P-8. Most of the development was already done with the US NAVY P-8. We now wait for the contract to be signed, then off we go.   

As surmised in the article, the Australian P-8 would be nearly identical to the US P-8, so there would be little additional development required that could pose any threat to schedule. The Australian frames would also have incorporated the latest upgrade Increment 2 (and Increment 3 ?), so many of the issue that was brought up in that report that panned the P-8 would have been resolved   

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Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:40 pm

Quoting groover158 (Reply 198):
Here's some pics that I took in Canberra today at Defence Establishment Fairbairn where they made the announcement of the RAAF's confirmation of eight P-8A Poseidon airframes.

Very nice - thanks!
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RE: P-8A Status?

Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:29 am

Just realized this thread has gone over 4 years... what's the longest running aviation thread to date? Thanks for all the input over the years.
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:57 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 202):
Just realized this thread has gone over 4 years... what's the longest running aviation thread to date?

And it's stayed active that entire time with regular posting every couple of weeks at maximum, as opposed to lying dormant for years and then being resurrected.
 
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Quoting kanban (Reply 202):
Thanks for all the input over the years.

Indeed, it's been a very enjoyable thread.
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Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:43 pm

Quoting groover158 (Reply 199):
As an interesting aside, yesterday saw a RAAF Wedgetail, RAAF BBJ and USN P-8 together. Surely this is a first.

Hi groover158,
What a great series of photos! Thanks for sharing. The one of the three 737models is my favourite, and the kind of photo I love to take. Australia will now have three distinct variants of the 737 in military service - the maximum possible? Which other nations also have this many distinct 737 variants in service?
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Sun Feb 23, 2014 3:12 pm

I recently returned from two weeks at Andersen AFB, Guam, supporting C-17s, and I had the opportunity to watch a bunch of Navy P-8s operating out of there. They are absolutely stunning aircraft visually and appear to be a fine and worthy replacement for the P-3, from a purely aesthetic perspective if nothing else. I was talking about them with my coworkers and they couldn't believe that a "737" could have a bomb bay!
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Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:55 pm

Quoting groover158 (Reply 199):
Here's some pics that I took in Canberra today at Defence Establishment Fairbairn where they made the announcement of the RAAF's confirmation of eight P-8A Poseidon airframes. USN Aircraft 168429 was used for the PR effort.



Thanks groover158

Those are some truly great photos. I wonder if you were able to capture a photo or 2 with the detail of the single P8 photos with the Wedgetail and the Poseidon in the same picture. I could guarentee an honored position in the halls of the Puget Sound Military Flight Center. ie birthplace of both derivitives.

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Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:25 am

Quoting bunumuring (Reply 205):
Australia will now have three distinct variants of the 737 in military service - the maximum possible? Which other nations also have this many distinct 737 variants in service?

The U.S. also has 3 distinct 737 variants currently in service.

C-40A (737-700C)

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Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:29 pm

Quoting groover158 (Reply 199):

Is it an optical illusion? or does it seem like the P-8A is sitting nose up compared to the other two planes?

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Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:22 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 209):
sitting nose up

I thought so too at first, but I wonder if the Wedgetail's surfboard exaggerates and skews how it looks.
 
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:39 am

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 209):
or does it seem like the P-8A is sitting nose up compared to the other two planes?

Compared the photos to some of my 737 shots and it does seem to be sitting a little high at the nose but that may be because it could be a little tail heavy with low fuel load.
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:55 am

Quoting Eskimotail (Reply 207):
Thanks groover158

Those are some truly great photos. I wonder if you were able to capture a photo or 2 with the detail of the single P8 photos with the Wedgetail and the Poseidon in the same picture. I could guarentee an honored position in the halls of the Puget Sound Military Flight Center. ie birthplace of both derivitives.

Thanks

Thanks Eskimotail! And thanks to all for your kind comments. Unfortunately I didn't capture just the two aircraft together. The best I could come up with is a tweak of the original photo, cropping out the BBJ and fixing the poor lighting. Sorry I couldn't do any better. You are most welcome to use the image/other images as you wish.


http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3732/12768250104_007b822152_o.jpg

And sans the big black pole  http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7315/12768464945_49f93a1f0a_o.jpg
 
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:52 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 206):
I recently returned from two weeks at Andersen AFB, Guam, supporting C-17s

Thank you for your service to this country. I bet Guam is an interesting place to be, for a day or so!  
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And sans the big black pole

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Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:29 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 211):

Compared the photos to some of my 737 shots and it does seem to be sitting a little high at the nose but that may be because it could be a little tail heavy with low fuel load.

Let's just say that if it is sitting nose high, then all I can say is that this would be a physical manifestation of a design concern early on the program  

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Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:23 pm

Quoting groover158 (Reply 212):
And sans the big black pole

Wow, they finally did make a pole filter..      
 
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:17 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 215):
Wow, they finally did make a pole filter..

Wow, one has to be a serious nerd to get that joke!  
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Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:57 pm

I see the government just ordered another batch of planes..
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-wins-2-1-billion-222620670.html

Wish they wouldn't call them "spy" planes though.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 216):
Wow, one has to be a serious nerd to get that joke!

or a photographer. Been hunting for a "power/phone wire" filter as well.
 
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Quoting kanban (Reply 217):
or a photographer

Ok it's me that is the nerd - I thought you were making an electrical engineering (poles and zeros) joke!  
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:13 pm

So I was wondering why they replaced the P-3 with another P-8 for the MH370 search.

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldno...0327,0,1718964.story#axzz2xY7x4g4D

From the LA Times:

"The Navy said the P-8 costs $42,740 each day it’s used. The P-3 costs $76,840 a day. "

It would be interesting to see the head to head maintenance comparison between the two development.

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Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:32 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 219):
So I was wondering why they replaced the P-3 with another P-8 for the MH370 search.

I think they also have some crazy stuff in the back of the P-8. They probably want to test the new toy. Hopefully the replacement of the P-3 is much more advanced anyway...
 
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:06 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 219):
So I was wondering why they replaced the P-3 with another P-8 for the MH370 search.

I would expect the P-8 can maintain a higher cruise speed so it can search more area in the same period of time.
 
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Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:22 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 221):

I would expect the P-8 can maintain a higher cruise speed so it can search more area in the same period of time.

I'm thinking the same thing. But the P-3 can loiter longer, thus you can stay out longer.

Maybe with the higher speed to target, you can try to get two trips a day with the P-8?

Leave before sun up.
Get to the site at dawn.
Search for 2-3 hrs head back.
Change crew.
Head back out.
Search for 2-3 hrs til twilight.
Head back in.

???

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Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:06 am

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 219):
"The Navy said the P-8 costs $42,740 each day it’s used. The P-3 costs $76,840 a day. "

It would be interesting to see the head to head maintenance comparison between the two development.

Flight crew smaller, too. Though all personnel costs really are moot in the short-term.
 
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Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:23 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 219):
"The Navy said the P-8 costs $42,740 each day it’s used. The P-3 costs $76,840 a day. "

Does that include fuel? I am pretty sure they can carry more than $40,000 worth of fuel, but I'm not sure how much the fuel they use costs
 
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Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:39 pm

Two interesting articles about the P-8 and it's new radar pod.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/exc...th-shadowy-radar-system-1562912667

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...oseidon-submarine-killers-are.html

this platform is getting interesting.
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:50 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 225):
this platform is getting interesting

Yep, and the intriguing part of the foxtrot alpha article is:

Quote:

A similar sensor to the AAS was originally intended for the USAF's E-10 "do everything" sensor and command aircraft. When that program fell apart, the Navy may have been left with a radar that is far superior to what is mounted on an entire fleet of USAF 707's, which consists of very old airframes that have a high cost of operation. In other words, the J-STARS fleet could have been vulnerable to the Littoral Surveillance Radar System's own success.

With this in mind, compartmentalizing the program deep within the Navy may have saved it from being shot down via the boys in blue who would protect their existing, even if potentially inferior, ground moving target indicator mission at all costs. Although some of this is speculative, this same story has come up again and again, both in the press and in my own discussions with people associated with the communities that deployed and developed the LSRS.

Regardless of the turf wars, it makes a lot of sense to me that a 'deep black' effort could come up with some pretty impressive stuff as opposed to a 'bells and whistles' pork barrel effort like E-10, which pretty much imploded due to so many diametrically opposed objectives.

Surely it's not a fair comparison since E-10 was taking shape around a decade ago and if you believe Moore's Law that is five doublings of the number of transistors available per chip (and similar magnitudes of reductions in watts per area), but still, this is impressive technology.

Thanks, kanban, for your contributions to this thread as well as to the forum as a whole. P-8 seems to be a great platform for defending our borders and when called for, beyond. Whatever role you and/or your co-workers played in it seems to be poised for great returns in both the near and in the distant future. Given this is April 15th, us taxpayers can perhaps feel a tiny bit better about filing that return when we see a program or two that delivers on time and on budget!  
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Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:09 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 225):
Two interesting articles about the P-8 and it's new radar pod.

Slap that on a Wedgetail and tell the USAF you've got their E-8 and E-3 successor in one... that was the E-10, right?
 
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Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:24 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 227):
Slap that on a Wedgetail and tell the USAF you've got their E-8 and E-3 successor in one... that was the E-10, right?

normally a E-8 plus a E-3 should be an E-11 however with congress and service turf wars it's going to equal a P-8   

fortunately I retired before the P-8 came down the line.. however Bikerthai is holding down the fort now.
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:04 pm

I see another P-8I had first flight.. however since the line numbers are mixed in with the basic 737 frames, it's impossible to tell how many have been completed and flown to Seattle for mission outfitting and how many have been delivered to the customers.

Can anyone help? and maybe provide a quarterly update?
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:16 pm

On the US side I can't imagine it being more than in the low 20s. You have 3 operational squadrons, the training squadron, and the testing squadron. The operational squadrons will end up having 6 (at least in the near future, not sure if that will change,) the training squadron has only 2 as of right now, and the testing squadron I'm not sure.

As far as the P-8Is I have no idea
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 6:34 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 230):

Can anyone help? and maybe provide a quarterly update?

The last P-8I delivery was the fourth India Frame. The 5th and 6th are at pre-delivery. The 7th has flown over the hill.
Not sure where the 8th is. All India aircraft will be delivered by end of year.

The first of the LRIP 3 lot was just delivered to the US Navy last month. Rate are now about 1 per month.

That's all I know. You guys can crunch the number.

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Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:05 pm

This was just in the local news:
http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/news/261860651.html

6 squadrons at Whidbey and 6 in Jacksonville. Kauai gets a permanent squadron in rotation. Coronado gets "periodic detachments"
 
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Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:28 pm

Does the Navy plan a 1:1 replacement of the P-3s?
 
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 3:14 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 233):
Kauai gets a permanent squadron in rotation.

They will be based at MCB Hawaii, which is on Oahu.
 
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Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 234):
Does the Navy plan a 1:1 replacement of the P-3s?

No, I wanna say there are going to be 119 P-8s but I could be wrong. Don't forget, the Trident (UAV) is teaming up with the P-8 to replace the P-3. The Tridents are not yet operational but I believe they are building the control center in Jacksonville as we speak
 
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Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:24 pm

Quoting ha763 (Reply 235):

They will be based at MCB Hawaii, which is on Oahu.

Ya know, here I was congratulating myself for fixing that article's misspelling of Coronado as "Corondo" and I go and move things to the wrong island...   
 
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Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:35 pm

First deployment of P-8A is wrapping up.

http://www.seapower-digital.com/seapower/may_june2014#pg42

Interesting reading. Specifically on how the P-8A provided more on-station time than the P-3 when searching for MH370.
It's all about getting to the search area faster.

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 232):

The first of the LRIP 3 lot was just delivered to the US Navy last month. Rate are now about 1 per month.

correction. The first LRIP 3 lot was just delivered this month.

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Thu Jul 03, 2014 9:24 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 238):
The first LRIP 3 lot was just delivered this month.

for those who like numbers, that was number 14.. with 7 more due this year.. things are rolling!!!

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/Boeing-U...me-Patrol-Fleet-with-14th-Delivery
 
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Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:27 pm

Had to look around to find this.

Not as nice as the 787 video . . . but you can't compare combat boots to Armani wing tips  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEc5Dl8_rnE

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Quoting bikerthai (Reply 240):

Had to look around to find this.

nice

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Quoting Stitch (Reply 242):
P-8A Air Show Performance:

Wonderful video - thanks!
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Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:51 pm

BOE205 is up on what was supposed to be a 12+ hour test flight. 300 knots at 12,000 feet. Flightaware stopped tracking it while it was still up, but FR24 still has it logging.

http://www.flightradar24.com/BOE205/3f6ea47
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Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:25 pm

First Deployment in the books.

http://www.navytimes.com/article/201...oseidon-completes-debut-deployment

One tangible difference between the P-8 and the P-3:

quote:
2 Better ride. VP-16’s crews got to ride in style, after years of service with the notoriously turbulence-prone P-3.

The P-8 is built on the base of the venerable Boeing 737 airline frame, with the end result being a more steady ride.

“This was my observation about the P-8 going in: You could fly an eight- to nine-hour mission and I could walk away from that flight feeling more alert and much less tired than I could in, say, a five-hour P-3 flight,” Papp said in a July 17 phone interview. “It’s a smoother ride.”


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Thu Aug 14, 2014 10:20 pm

Boeing just got a contract for initial materials for 12 more of which 4 will be for Australia

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing...296-million-initial-215909035.html

The US navy got #15 last week.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2014-08-...oduction-P-8A-Poseidon-to-U-S-Navy
 
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I think Boeing nailed this one the head
 
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Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 247):

I think Boeing nailed this one the head

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Welcome aboard mates


http://www.naval-technology.com/news...r-first-four-p-8a-aircraft-4353330

"The Australian defence minister senator David Johnston has said that a deal has been sealed with the US Navy for the procurement of the first four P-8A Poseidon multi-mission maritime aircraft."

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