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F-16s For Oman

Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:38 am

Things still seem to be going great for a fighter supposed to be on the way out.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-touts-possible-f-16-sale-to.html

Quote:
"US defence officials have confirmed that Oman has asked for a potential sale of 18 Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 50/52s fighters for $3.5 billion in a move that dampens the UK government's hopes to offload a batch of new Eurofighter Typhoons.

The US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) informed Congress on 3 August that the Royal Air Force of Oman is seeking a 'possible' F-16 purchase, which is most likely aimed at replacing 16 Sepecat Jaguars.

The announcement comes five years after Oman purchased a batch of 12 F-16 Block 50s, which are powered by the General Electric F110-GE-129 engine."



LockMart are also working on campaigns in Qatar and Iraq, and still hopeful of a win in India.

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RE: F-16s For Oman

Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:14 pm

This sale shound not have any problem. As the story says the RAFO already has 12 of them.
 
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RE: F-16s For Oman

Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:56 am

Not good news for the Eurofighter Typhoon as they were hoping to get the sale themselves.
 
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RE: F-16s For Oman

Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:11 am

Oman probably is keeping their options open to see if they can get a better deal.
 
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RE: F-16s For Oman

Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:47 pm

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 3):
Oman probably is keeping their options open to see if they can get a better deal.
Quoting DEVILFISH (Thread starter):
Quote:
"US defence officials have confirmed that Oman has asked for a potential sale of 18 Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 50/52s fighters for $3.5 billion in a move that dampens the UK government's hopes to offload a batch of new Eurofighter Typhoons.

The US Defense Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) informed Congress on 3 August that the Royal Air Force of Oman is seeking a 'possible' F-16 purchase, which is most likely aimed at replacing 16 Sepecat Jaguars.

The announcement comes five years after Oman purchased a batch of 12 F-16 Block 50s, which are powered by the General Electric F110-GE-129 engine."

It seems like the deal has been made for the F-16E/F for the RAFO. But, as with any middle east sale, it is not a "done deal" until the deposit money is put on the table.
 
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RE: F-16s For Oman

Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:56 pm

They probably liked what they got in their earlier Block 50s. A nice transition from these.....

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.....to these.....

http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_F-16C-50s_Omani_lg.jpg
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http://media.defenseindustrydaily.co.../images/AIR_F-16C-50s_Omani_lg.jpg

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"Aug 3/10: The US DSCA announces [PDF] Oman’s formal request to upgrade its existing F-16 fleet, and buy 18 F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft and associated equipment, parts, training and support for an estimated cost of up to $3.5 billion. Items requested include:

* 18 Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft
* 20 Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-229 or GE F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (current RAFO F-16s use F110s)
* 24 Northrop Grumman AN/APG-68v9 radar sets
* 20 General Dynamics ATP M61 20mm Vulcan Cannons
* Conformal fuel tanks (CFT), number unspecified
* 36 LAU-129/A Common Rail Launchers
* 36 LAU-117 MAVERICK missile launchers
* Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices (CAD/PAD), number unspecified
* 22 AN/ARC-238 Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio Systems with HAVE QUICK I/II
* 22 ITT AN/ALQ-211 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites (AIDEWS) or Raytheon’s Advanced Countermeasures Electronic Systems (ACES) with the ALQ-187 electronic warfare system and ALR-93 radar warning receiver
* 22 AN/ALE-47 Countermeasures Dispensing Systems (CMDS)
* 18 Lockheed Martin AN/AAQ-33 SNIPER surveillance and targeting pods, “or similarly capable system”
* 4 Goodrich DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods (RECCE)
* 40 VSI/Boeing Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems
* Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) Systems with Mode IV
* 34 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded-GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems (INS)
* 35 of Raytheon’s ALE-50 Towed Decoys
* Ground based flight simulator
* Existing fleet upgrades and modification kits
* Site survey and construction.
* Support equipment
* Tanker support and ferry services
* Repair and return, spares and repair parts, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, and other forms of U.S. Government and contractor support

The numbers of some of these items suggest their use as general fleet upgrades, as opposed to merely being equipment that comes with the new fighters."


http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...e-Its-Jaguar-Jets-06503/#more-6503



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
But, as with any middle east sale, it is not a "done deal" until the deposit money is put on the table.

I wonder who is offering "more" for "less" deposit - LockMart or the Eurofighter consortium.
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RE: F-16s For Oman

Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:22 pm

Quoting OD720 (Reply 2):
Not good news for the Eurofighter Typhoon as they were hoping to get the sale themselves.
Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 3):
Oman probably is keeping their options open to see if they can get a better deal.

Any possibility the now cancelled 24 Italian Typhoons could be offered at a (relatively) dirt cheap price ? It might be
a face-saver for Eurofighter. OTOH, since RAFO already have older F-16s, commonality makes a lot of sense, as it
seems the older F-16s will get some type of MLU.
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RE: F-16s For Oman

Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:46 pm

The RAFO has had their Jags since the 1970s. It is about time to put them out to pasture and turn them into beer cans.
 
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RE: F-16s For Oman

Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:31 pm

Update:

Follow-on order for twelve F-16 Block 50s placed.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...inued-wait-for-eurofighter-366030/

Quote:
"Oman has placed a follow-on order with Lockheed Martin for a second batch of 12 F-16C/D Block 50 fighters, with the development likely to further delay the UK's hopes of selling the Eurofighter Typhoon to the nation.

Announcing the deal in a 14 December contract notification, the US Department of Defense said Muscat will acquire 10 single-seat fighters and a pair of two-seat trainers under a deal worth $600 million. These will join eight and four of the respective types already in service with the Royal Air Force of Oman."


A very pragmatic decision given their existing, relatively new fleet.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 6):
Any possibility the now cancelled 24 Italian Typhoons could be offered at a (relatively) dirt cheap price? It might be a face-saver for Eurofighter.

It's unlikely that Eurofighter would sell at a bargain price...be those used RAF examples or foregone Italian frames fresh off the assembly line. They need the revenue more than they do the face saver.
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RE: F-16s For Oman

Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:22 am

Makes sense since they already fly them and the usual troubles of the mideast really havent effected Oman yet good purchase on their part.
 
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RE: F-16s For Oman

Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:15 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 6):
OTOH, since RAFO already have older F-16s, commonality makes a lot of sense, as it
seems the older F-16s will get some type of MLU.

My guess is that besides price that is probably one of the bigger drivers of this sale and the upgrade of the existing Omani aircraft.
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