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F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:51 am

BBC reporting a F-15E Strike Eagle down over Libya. Mechanical problems forced her down. Pilot safe, in the hands of the Rebels while an 'operation' is taking place to recover the other (WSO?).
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:57 am

If the story is true, I would expect the Marines on the USN ships will mount a SAR mission for the WSO, and also pick up the pilot. I would also expect the USAF to bomb/destroy the wreckage.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:07 am

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1104: The US military now says that the second crew member from the crashed jet in Libya has been rescued, Reuters reports.

From the BBC live feed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:27 am

"Mechanical problems" sounds fishy....caused by enemy fire? I hope not.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:38 am

Quoting highlander0 (Thread starter):
"Mechanical problems" sounds fishy....caused by enemy fire? I hope not.

Why, the initial F-15C was so technical it often had "computer" issues, the Strike Eagle is probably even more complex since it has a ground component as well.
Military high performance a/c have very complex engines, things can go wrong. If the government forces had shot her down they would have announced that before the US military, so not fishey to me, I'll defer till more information is released.

At 07:36 EST CNN is reporting that the pilot is safe and the hunt is on for the second crewman, BBC online is reporting that both are safe, they are even saying that both ejected safely with minor injuries.

Let's hope for the best.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:03 pm

F-15E's don't have a history of just falling out of the sky by themselves, even with the P&W engines. Very easily could have been one of those golden BB's, the aircrew may not even have known what it was that hit them. Or it could have ingested a turkey buzzard, a damned sparrow has taken out more than one T-38 before.

If you remember, the USAF wanted to make one last lot purchase of Strike Eagles when they awarded the tanker, even went so fast to test and certify GE F110 engines for the airframe. Unfortunately, all those "savings" from the tanker lease never materialized, and so too went the visions of new Strike Eagles for the USAF.

FOXNews just reported both crew are safe and fine.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:03 pm

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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:32 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
. I would also expect the USAF to bomb/destroy the wreckage.
Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 6):
Pictures: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl....html

Seeing the picture wouldn't it be too dangerous for civilians to destroy the wreckage?
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:35 pm

I am just glad the two crew members are safe and sound.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:38 pm

Quoting knoxibus (Reply 8):
I am just glad the two crew members are safe and sound.

Are they both accounted for? The article I read said both received minor injuries and US forces had rescued one and it was rumored that Libyan rebels had helped the other. Can anyone confirm?

[Edited 2011-03-22 05:39:05]
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:39 pm

Just saw some very high quality pictures on the news. Tail is LN - Lakenheath I think that means.

Seems to have crashed in a very flat attitude, airframe is mostly intact (but burned). There's at least one missile broken up into 3 pieces with AIM120C clearly stencilled on the side.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:45 pm

I'm glad the crew is safe!

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
I would also expect the USAF to bomb/destroy the wreckage.

Is there much to destroy left after seeing the pictures? I'm not a military specialist, so please enlighten me on this.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:51 pm

Quoting aero95 (Reply 10):
Seems to have crashed in a very flat attitude, airframe is mostly intact (but burned)

It fell in a flat attitude upside down as shown in the pictures...btw, intact?  
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:55 pm

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 12):
It fell in a flat attitude upside down as shown in the pictures...btw, intact?

Sorry, I thought my description was quite clear. What I mean, is that it wasn't a nose first supersonic crater with nothing recognisable.

It looks like a low speed, upright level impact with the ground. Everything is broken and burned but basically where it should be in relation to everything else.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:01 pm

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 12):
upside down

It did not crash upside down. In the BBC link you can see a photo that clearly shows the plane is upright.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12816226
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:08 pm

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 14):

After seeing that picture, you're right, It looked like it landed upside down at the first sight.

Out of my curiosity why would the USAF "destroy" the wreckage?
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:32 pm

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 15):
Out of my curiosity why would the USAF "destroy" the wreckage?

To destroy any material which may be of use to anyone who should not get hold of it. That could be as serious as classified equipment on board or as trivial as ensuring it is not used as a war-trophy.

Quoting aero95 (Reply 10):
Tail is LN - Lakenheath I think that means.

There is plenty of relatively high quality still and video footage on the mainstream newsfeeds now. Don't think it is giving anything away now to say that the LN tailcode that is clearly visible in this footage, indicates that this is an aircraft normally based at Lakenheath. That does not necessarily mean that the crew was from Lakenheath however.

The serial number 304 is clearly visible on the tail, which presumably makes it 91-0304.


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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:19 pm

Quoting GPHOTO (Reply 16):
The serial number 304 is clearly visible on the tail, which presumably makes it 91-0304.

The blue/white tail flash also can be seen in one of the pics from the Telegraph. Based on the tail code and that flash color, it belongs to the 492nd Fighter Squadron, the Bowlers.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 2:30 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 7):

Seeing the picture wouldn't it be too dangerous for civilians to destroy the wreckage?

If the crash is near Benghazi, I wouldn't be surprised if a crew is being assembled to retrieve the wreckage.
Burnt out or not, it is safer just to get as many parts back into your hands as you can.

Also, may help with the incident investigation.

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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:14 pm

Quoting aero95 (Reply 10):

Seems to have crashed in a very flat attitude, airframe is mostly intact (but burned)

Agreed

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The wreckage is complete but "squashed down" indicating a ground impact in level flight with little or no forward speed but a very high vertical speed. This would suggest the aircraft was stalled or in a flat spin at time of impact. If anyone remembers the collision between the two Russian MiGs at Fairford some years back, the second aircraft came down in such a manner.

The footage shows the jet tailpipes somewhat squashed from the impact but (as far as is possible to tell) not showing any sign of missile damage. That backs up the "mechanical malfunction" explanation, although of course a proximity blast could have crippled the aircraft in other ways.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:35 pm

Quoting aviatorcraig (Reply 19):
remembers the collision between the two Russian MiGs at Fairford some years back

That's exactly what came to mind when I saw the squashed rear end of this F-15 ... or the Su27 (?) crash at Paris about 10 years ago after scraping the ground and the 2 guys ejecting safely.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:53 pm

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 7):
Seeing the picture wouldn't it be too dangerous for civilians to destroy the wreckage?

With no offense intended at all, American forces have demonstrated a willingness to accept civilian casualties in destroying equipment (admittedly more so the Army than Air Force, but there haven't been too many fighters down in Iraq).
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:03 pm

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 15):
Out of my curiosity why would the USAF "destroy" the wreckage?

Almost any surviving parts of the aircraft, especially computer chips, would be useful to people wanting to reverse engineer systems from the aircraft. At least two, possibly four, nations fit into that catagory.

SOP for such a crash in hostile territory is to make sure anything not recovered is completely destroyed.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 5:45 pm

It appears that most of the classified black boxes burned up in the nose and forward fuselage, I hope also the sniper pods under the intakes have also been totally destroyed. The Aim120 could be used for reverse engineering and the sidewinders go back to the 1960's, did not see a aim 9x in the pictures with the opitical aiming installed. I would agree with previous posters that it looked like in was in a flat spin indicating a engine malfuction compressor failure or blowout which caused a unrecoverable spin in the yaw flight axis. That hole on top of the left engine intake is peaking my interest with the inward not outward shards.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:03 pm

The classified boxes, chips, and anything else the US would be unwilling to share with some countries will be recovered, or destroyed.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:17 pm

Reading the tweets of the reporters (https://twitter.com/#!/robcrilly) who found the wreckage, an Osprey was used in the rescue.

2nd F-15E strafed the wreckage as the Libyans approached. Not surprised tbh!
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:20 pm

From the Daily Telegraph link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hether-he-faced-friend-or-foe.html :

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He had parachuted into a field of sheep somewhere near Benghazi airbase and needed to escape - his fellow crew member had landed in another field nearby.
Raising his hands in the air he called out "OK, OK" to greet the crowd. But he need not have worried.
"I hugged him and said don't be scared we are your friends," said Younis Amruni, 27.
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A queue formed to shake the hand of the airman, as locals thanked him for his role in the attacks.

Shows the incredible gratefulness and humility of the locals, recognising the fear that these pilots would have at having ejected over enemy territory.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:39 pm

Good news that they found friends on arrival.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:40 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 27):
Good news that they found friends on arrival.

But apparently there may have been errors as well:

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Channel Four's Lindsey Hilsum spoke to the villagers, and visited Jala hospital in Benghazi where some of the injured were treated. Among them was Hamad Abdul Ati, 43, who had bullet and shrapnel wounds. He said he was puzzled rather than angry, and did not understand why the Americans had been so aggressive in their rescue mission.

"We consider that whoever is shot down or a prisoner of war, we should save him and hand him over," he told Hilsum from his hospital bed. "But another plane shot at me and Hamdy, my son. I have shrapnel in my hand."Hospital staff said that Hamdy, aged 20, wa s having an operation to amputate his leg.

"Why did this happen? My car is destroyed, my home is damaged. We would have just picked the second pilot up and put him wherever he wanted in a safe place. Even the other one, we had a celebration for him," Abdul Ati said.

Reporters said the villagers had showed no animosity after the incident; instead, they expressed gratitude for the US-led coalition, which they said had saved them from massacre by Gaddafi's forces.

I understand the extreme difficulty involved with not knowing who is friendly and who is hostile. You don't want your pilots captured and paraded or tortured but at the same time you don't want to turn the local population (or the wider population watching and reading the news) against the good efforts you are making on their behalf.

At least the people injured do not seem to be taking it badly, just unhappy and concerned.

Tough situation.

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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Tue Mar 22, 2011 11:16 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 28):
Tough situation.

Not so tough actually, as you are implying yourself. The primary aim of the whole operation is supposedly to protect the population. One of your pilots comes down in what is not even likely to be an 'enemy' area, and when coming to rescue him you shoot at everything that moves? You simply need to use restraint in such as situation, even if that does increase the risk for the pilot and the rescuers themselves.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:34 am

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 15):
Out of my curiosity why would the USAF "destroy" the wreckage?

To keep it out of the hands of the enemy. America neglected to do so after the F-117 was downed in Serbia and the wreckage was rumored to have been examined by the Russians.

Quoting Bureaucromancer (Reply 21):
With no offense intended at all, American forces have demonstrated a willingness to accept civilian casualties in destroying equipment (admittedly more so the Army than Air Force, but there haven't been too many fighters down in Iraq).

That wasn't the case in the aforementioned Serbian incident, but I think considering what is at risk it certainly warrants consideration despite the potential for civilian casualties. However, since the aircraft seems to have crashed in an area where the locals are quite friendly, it would probably be best to attempt to recover the wreckage rather than destroy it.

Quoting tugger (Reply 28):
But apparently there may have been errors as well:

When a friendly crew ejects and a bunch of locals are running out after them, my first reaction would be to try and shoot, or at least dissuade, them. A mistake, perhaps, but understandable I think.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:32 am

Quoting Bureaucromancer (Reply 21):
With no offense intended at all, American forces have demonstrated a willingness to accept civilian casualties in destroying equipment (admittedly more so the Army than Air Force, but there haven't been too many fighters down in Iraq).
Quoting ptrjong (Reply 29):
Not so tough actually, as you are implying yourself. The primary aim of the whole operation is supposedly to protect the population. One of your pilots comes down in what is not even likely to be an 'enemy' area, and when coming to rescue him you shoot at everything that moves? You simply need to use restraint in such as situation, even if that does increase the risk for the pilot and the rescuers themselves.




Don't you just love the second guessers....

Without any facts and the benefit of hindsight (from unsubstantiated news reports) you have opinions about those terrible Americans.... Its blatantly obvious that the two of you have zero experience in matters of armed conflict, Rules of engagement or the motivations of these service members.... So please, give it a rest.

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"With no offense intended at all, American forces have demonstrated a willingness to accept civilian casualties in destroying equipment"

Actually, what American forces have demonstrated in the past 10 years, is a willingness to accept Additional risk to themselves to protect the innocents and doing so willingly and with pride!

And, "(admittedly more so the Army than Air Force)"

Talk about baseless and without fact... Just plain nonsense!

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"One of your pilots comes down in what is not even likely to be an 'enemy' area, and when coming to rescue him you shoot at everything that moves?"

One of your pilots... OH... you mean Coalition pilot right?? Because the Joint coalition air command center would be directing all coalition A/C within the AOR. And providing the same direction, ROE and support to whatever coalition A/C is involved.

"in what is not even likely to be an 'enemy' area"

Please feel free to provide the Order of Battle map for that area during the time of the incident to support your claim... I think we would all like to see it.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:06 am

Until proven otherwise, I'm going to call BS on "technical issue" theory. Sorry mates, the memory of how American propaganda was selling that story regarding the shootdown of the F-117 in Serbia is still fresh.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:51 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 32):
Until proven otherwise, I'm going to call BS on "technical issue" theory. Sorry mates, the memory of how American propaganda was selling that story regarding the shootdown of the F-117 in Serbia is still fresh.

Agreed. A F-15 has never been shot down and I think they are just covering this up to keep that streak. I think someone got a lucky shot off that hit a critical area. It takes A LOT of parts to fail simultaneously to bring down a modern, twin-engined fighter aircraft.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:36 am

When I read that US Marine rescuers fired at friendly villagers who willingly gave up the pilots, first thing I said was, "this better not be true!!!!"

I don't understand what the rules of engagement are, but it just does not make sense to me why Marines would fire at civilians just because they were around the person being rescued. Can anyone here in the military explain how this could have happened (if true)?
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:25 am

Quoting jasp25 (Reply 34):
When I read that US Marine rescuers fired at friendly villagers who willingly gave up the pilots, first thing I said was, "this better not be true!!!!"

According to CNN.com timeline of events Harriers from the 26th MEU dropped two 500 lb LGB's between the downed pilot and closing crowd.This was at 130 am Libya time, so just working off of sensors I could see how the pilots could not tell whether crowd was friendly or not. I think 1000 lbs of bombs is a bit excessive... but I was not there and I am sure the situation was tense.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:55 am

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 32):
Until proven otherwise, I'm going to call BS on "technical issue" theory. Sorry mates, the memory of how American propaganda was selling that story regarding the shootdown of the F-117 in Serbia is still fresh.

Sorry "mate", but what "propaganda" is it that you found in the '117 downing that you mentioned? And it is quite correct, and factual. that no F-15, in any flavor, has been shot down by enemy aircraft. When I was in the Persian Gulf war, two F-15Es from our sister squadrons, 334 and 335 were lost, one by mechanical problems and the other by a SAM. Until we hear otherwise, that record still stands. And it does so with or without accusations of 'propaganda' notwithstanding.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:32 pm

Quoting dragon6172 (Reply 35):
According to CNN.com timeline of events Harriers from the 26th MEU dropped two 500 lb LGB's between the downed pilot and closing crowd.This was at 130 am Libya time, so just working off of sensors I could see how the pilots could not tell whether crowd was friendly or not. I think 1000 lbs of bombs is a bit excessive... but I was not there and I am sure the situation was tense.

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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:48 pm

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 36):
Sorry "mate", but what "propaganda" is it that you found in the '117 downing that you mentioned?

Some find it very convenient to forget, so allow me to refresh your memory.

For more than a month after that event, the US DoD tried to convince the general public worldwide that the Nighthawk was lost due to the technical failure and that it was hit by AA fire after it broke down and the pilot ejected. This turned out to be false and the US finally admitted that F-117 was indeed detected and shot down, some believe with help from the mobile "Tamara" radar.

I was living in the US back then. I know what I've seen in just about every domestic news report at that time. Fortunately, the American TV networks were never my prime news source, especially when it comes to aviation.

So - like I said before: I'm calling BS on the "technical fault" story until proven otherwise.

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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:54 pm

Quoting dragon6172 (Reply 35):
I think 1000 lbs of bombs is a bit excessive... but I was not there and I am sure the situation was tense.

Most likely that is all the ordnance they had on the aircraft at the time. Yes, 500 lb GBUs are not precision weapons, but they cannot sit there and let a guy get 'captured' while they still have weapons.

At this point in time, no area of Libya is known as safe for any downed airmen from the nations enforcing the no-fly zone. Nobody can assure 100% safety from everyone on the ground. While an area can be considered to possibly under control of the rebels, do they have positive control of every person in the area? Are you willing to bet your life that there are no loyalist to Qaddafi who would try to spirit away an allied airman?

Where were the rebel police forces, and armed forces? Why weren't they keeping order and keeping the civilians back from the crash site, and from the downed airmen?

They weren't there because the rebels do not have completed control of the area and nor do they have an enforcement infrastructure in place. They are focused on other tasks right now.
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Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:08 pm

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 38):
For more than a month after that event, the US DoD tried to convince the general public worldwide that the Nighthawk was lost due to the technical failure and that it was hit by AA fire after it broke down and the pilot ejected. This turned out to be false and the US finally admitted that F-117 was indeed detected and shot down, some believe with help from the mobile "Tamara" radar.

And for how many months did US Air Force brass persist in having their B-52's perform that massive slow turn over Vient Nam during their bombing missions resulting in needless a/c and crews being lost when the command decision could have been given to allow the turn after they cross the coast.

Your memory is accurate of the denials, you may just be wrong on your reason of why the denial, I put it down to covering butts, just as in the F-117 shoot down, no one ever claimed that the F-117 was invisible to detect, just difficult, which is made a whole lot easier when you fly the a/c on the same route with the same mission profile more than once, you are asking for trouble. However, I am a conspiracy theorist, and I think the whole thing was staged to get more F-22's in inventory since by that time the cost was soaring and they knew the 200+ would never be approved, everything was up to get more F-22's in house, A-10, F-117's, F-15, F-16, C-17's, C-130 the whole kit and kabottle for F-22's.

A F-15E Strike Eagle went down, it is not the first, they were also lost during the Gulf War so which perfect record are they trying to protect, the Mud Hen is a atwo seat fighter bomber, it not C model pure fighter.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:15 pm

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 37):
Shoot first, ask questions later.

Let's take an Allied bomber crashing in occupied Holland, 1944. Do Allied aircraft strafe the approaching civilians?!
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:15 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 30):
Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 15):
Out of my curiosity why would the USAF "destroy" the wreckage?

To keep it out of the hands of the enemy. America neglected to do so after the F-117 was downed in Serbia and the wreckage was rumored to have been examined by the Russians.

Totally different. In Serbia the USAF could not fly below 15,000', on orders from Clinton. It is almost impossible to see a small wreckage from that altitude.

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 33):
Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 32):
Until proven otherwise, I'm going to call BS on "technical issue" theory. Sorry mates, the memory of how American propaganda was selling that story regarding the shootdown of the F-117 in Serbia is still fresh.

Agreed. A F-15 has never been shot down and I think they are just covering this up to keep that streak. I think someone got a lucky shot off that hit a critical area. It takes A LOT of parts to fail simultaneously to bring down a modern, twin-engined fighter aircraft.

Not true, there has been at least 1 F-15E shot down. It is the F-15A/B/C/D that has never been shot down in combat.

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 36):
When I was in the Persian Gulf war, two F-15Es from our sister squadrons, 334 and 335 were lost, one by mechanical problems and the other by a SAM.

  
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:23 pm

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 41):
Do Allied aircraft strafe the approaching civilians?!

No, not to my knowledge and history books and documentaries I have read and seen.

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 41):
occupied Holland, 1944

That's probably why they did not, so following your basic premise, you are saying that Libya is occupied by ???????????
Does create a small imbalance in the situations don't you think?
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:32 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 43):
you are saying that Libya is occupied by ???????????

By a regime that is threatening to commit unspeakable crimes to its own civilians, remember?

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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:38 pm

I don't know.

If I was in a Harrier over hostile territory and a friendly was on the ground after who knows what happens but you know a rescue mission is enroute and I see a crowd of people rushing toward a downed pilot I'd probably drop all I have as well to protect the downed pilot.

Maybe the freindly locals can take this as a lesson don't bum rush a guy just after he landed in a parachute.
 
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:45 pm

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 41):
Do Allied aircraft strafe the approaching civilians?!

Yes they did on several occasions, especially at night when you cannot tell if the people approaching the downed aircraft were civilians or German soldiers.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:23 pm

Flightglobal's report on the rescue.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...details-of-f-15e-pilot-rescue.html

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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:14 pm

Quoting KingairTA (Reply 45):
Maybe the freindly locals can take this as a lesson don't bum rush a guy just after he landed in a parachute.

That sounds quite arrogant given the pilot was parachuting in a foreign land. I am sure those rebels are not stupid to point their guns at him.
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RE: F-15E Down In Lybia

Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:31 pm

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 41):
Let's take an Allied bomber crashing in occupied Holland, 1944. Do Allied aircraft strafe the approaching civilians?!

Well, I suppose that all depends on how you feel about the Hollanders...

It seems to me that the forces were cautious to shoot near the civvies and not actually at them. Don't worry, compensation will be paid and people will forget the incident before you know it.
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