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B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:43 pm
by jetblueguy22
Looks like a B-1 crashed during a training mission in Montana today. They are reporting the 4 crew members ejected safely with only minor injuries. No cause yet on what happened.

How extensively are the B-1s used? I think they are awesome looking planes but you never hear too much about them. Only seem to hear about B-52s and B-2s
Pat

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:28 pm
by KC135Hydraulics
Definitely not a good thing for the Air Force! Those are high value, low density assets that are most certainly not replaceable. I'll be interested to read the crash investigation... still waiting to hear about the KC-135 crash, by the way.

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:28 pm
by zanl188
Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 1):

There are B-1s sitting in the desert at DM. Scrape off the spraylat, do the tctos & voila... you got a replacement.

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:00 pm
by Sooner787
Quoting zanl188 (Reply 2):
There are B-1s sitting in the desert at DM. Scrape off the spraylat, do the tctos & voila... you got a replacement.

How many of those B-1's are intact?

I thought they were robbing parts from those frames ?

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:20 pm
by Ozair
Quoting jetblueguy22 (Thread starter):
How extensively are the B-1s used?

They were pivotal to air support in Afghanistan over the last 10 years as a B-1 was always in the air and available 24/7 for pretty much the entire campaign. http://www.dodbuzz.com/2012/08/02/th...es-record-breaking-b-1-deployment/

Their long range gives them great loiter time, high speed allows for rapid movement to the required location and large conventional weapon load provided a wide range of weapons to be carried, ensuring the right sized weapon was used on the right target.

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:03 am
by RushmoreAir
Now they have an image of the crash site. It's completely disintegrated - I can't even tell that it's an aircraft.

http://www.kotatv.com/story/23176779...training-flight-crew-ejects-safely

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:13 am
by cjg225
Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 5):
Now they have an image of the crash site. It's completely disintegrated - I can't even tell that it's an aircraft.

Looks kinda like what was left (or not left) of the NAC 747F that went down at Bagram.

[Edited 2013-08-19 18:13:45]

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:05 am
by jetblueguy22
Quoting Ozair (Reply 4):
Their long range gives them great loiter time, high speed allows for rapid movement to the required location and large conventional weapon load provided a wide range of weapons to be carried, ensuring the right sized weapon was used on the right target.

Very interesting information! I appreciate you sharing that. You just never seem to hear about anything but the B-2 in every day news.

Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 5):
Now they have an image of the crash site. It's completely disintegrated - I can't even tell that it's an aircraft.

Oh my goodness! There is nothing left. At least the crew is safe.
Pat

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:31 pm
by 135mech
We here at Ellsworth are incredibly grateful that the crew only suffered minor injuries!!! Like someone mentioned it looks similar to the Bagram crash, but fortunately we did not have any fatalities.

We (the general public) here at the base still have no details of the cause yet, but it was only in the air a short time before impact and still had most of it's fuel on board...so that would explain the lack of remains.

If we get authorized to devulge more info I will pass it on.

Regards,
135Mech

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:48 pm
by FSXJunkie
Quoting zanl188 (Reply 2):

There are B-1s sitting in the desert at DM. Scrape off the spraylat, do the tctos & voila... you got a replacement.

First off how old are they?

If under the spraylat are SAC gaunlets, chances are they aren't treaty compliant, and given the budget situation a bean counter will poo poo the cost of bringing it to compliance.

Also rumor is SAC got Rockwell to squeeze out a few B-1A's...if those are found, they're going straight to the guillotine.

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:24 pm
by Moose135
Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 5):
It's completely disintegrated - I can't even tell that it's an aircraft.

A big airplane hitting the ground out-of-control at a high rate of speed will tend to look like that. Glad the crew was able to get out safely.

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:09 pm
by eksath
Quoting 135mech (Reply 8):
If we get authorized to devulge more info I will pass it on.

Thanks. Would appreciate it if we can find the serial# when it is ready for public release.

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:00 am
by 135mech
Quoting FSXJunkie (Reply 9):
Also rumor is SAC got Rockwell to squeeze out a few B-1A's...if those are found, they're going straight to the guillotine.



There were the 4 original B-1A's that were shelved for nearly a decade and are mostly static birds around the country with the exception of 001, which was cut up and ended up being a cockpit trainer.

When the B-1's were brought back, the "new" ones were B-1B's, of which 100 were made.

135Mech

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:28 pm
by redflyer
Quoting 135mech (Reply 12):
There were the 4 original B-1A's that were shelved for nearly a decade and are mostly static birds

Didn't one of those 1A's crash back in the late 80's during testing?

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:34 pm
by redflyer
Quoting RushmoreAir (Reply 5):
Now they have an image of the crash site. It's completely disintegrated - I can't even tell that it's an aircraft.

http://www.kotatv.com/story/23176779...afely

Interestingly, even though it looks like nothing but a pile of ashes, in the one photo you can barely see the outline of the aircraft. It almost appears as though she belly-flopped onto the ground instead of hitting nose first or even cartwheeling.

RE: B-1 Bomber Crashes In SE Montana

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:51 pm
by rfields5421
Quoting redflyer (Reply 13):
Didn't one of those 1A's crash back in the late 80's during testing?

Yes - Aug 29, 1984 - during minimum control speed tests at low altitude - apparently stalled. When the escape capsule deployed - the chutes came out improperly and Rockwell's test pilot was killed as the capsule hit the ground nose down.

The last B-1A and all the B-1B aircraft have four ejection seats, the escape capsule was dropped from the design.