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Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:53 pm

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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:53 pm

Okay - something I had never considered !!!
 
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:29 am

That is AWESOME. Thanks for the post.

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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:39 pm

Glad I am not an astronaut, I would be ejecting disks for hours of amusement (yes I am entertained by simple things).
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:16 am

Wow, NASA still uses floppies?

At least it wasn't a 5 1/4 disk. Those probably could take somebodies head off!
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:33 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
Wow, NASA still uses floppies?

I might be one of those high end 2.44MB ED disks!!! Fancy stuff.
 
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:06 pm

Pretty good evidence supporting Newtons laws of motions in the clip ...  
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:06 pm

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 5):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
Wow, NASA still uses floppies?

I might be one of those high end 2.44MB ED disks!!! Fancy stuff.

All this raises some interesting points. Columbia first flew in 1981. Did laptops exist then? What was state of the art portable data storage like? What was robust enough and certified by NASA for flight? I don't feel old at 45, yet it's still pretty amazing to think how much consumer electronics have changed since then.

I suspect 3.5" disks were not common by then, but then again, we have no idea when this was shot.

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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:17 pm

Google reveals a YouTube video posted in 2006 of the same scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_MfM4j09ME

But still don't know how old it was before it was posted

It does appear to the space shuttle mid deck. Beyond the computer are the sleeping bunks on the far wall.

[Edited 2013-11-24 14:21:04]
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:35 pm

STS-43, 1991
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA30635
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Portable

It was the very first portable computer used in space, and it sent the first email. Definitely state of the art for the time. 16 Mhz! Trackball! Networking!
 
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:03 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 9):

STS-43, 1991
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA30635
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Portable

It was the very first portable computer used in space, and it sent the first email. Definitely state of the art for the time. 16 Mhz! Trackball! Networking!

The GRiD Compass 1101 was flown on the Shuttle in 1983, on STS-9 (and on many subsequent missions). I'm pretty sure STS-9 was the first flight of the GRiD, but I can't completely rule out an earlier one.

Oh, and 8MHz 8086, 256KB of RAM, 384KB of bubble storage for "disk".


http://oldcomputers.net/grid1101.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_Compass
 
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:49 pm

Quoting Sinlock (Reply 5):
I might be one of those high end 2.44MB ED disks!!! Fancy stuff.

It is probably a Sony Memory Stick floppy adaptor, you could squeeze like... 64mb on those puppies! That was so hard core back in the day!
 
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:20 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 9):
16 Mhz!

It's amazing isn't. My first laptop had a 486DHX processor with an amazing 50Mhz clock speed.

Which is precisely 76 times less than what I have today.

RAM memory... 8 megs... 3000 times less than what I have today.

Hard drive storage space... 720 megs ... 1388 times less than what I have today.

But interestingly enough... i used it to run Excel and Word, on Windows 95... and it worked awesomely.

Gets me thinking - why do I need so much more processing power to do the same thing today? Well, that and Adobe Premiere. But still!
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:12 pm

Quoting Oroka (Reply 11):
It is probably a Sony Memory Stick floppy adaptor, you could squeeze like... 64mb on those puppies! That was so hard core back in the day!

I put a 8GB usb thumb drive onto a computer and in essence the computer told me I had a 8GB floppy drive available for my use!  
Quoting AF1624 (Reply 12):
Gets me thinking - why do I need so much more processing power to do the same thing today? Well, that and Adobe Premiere. But still!

If you'd like, we can set you up with a 486DHX at 50 MHz and you can do the exact same thing you did back in 1995 today!  
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:26 pm

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 12):

Gets me thinking - why do I need so much more processing power to do the same thing today? Well, that and Adobe Premiere. But still!

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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:49 pm

Quoting SLCPilot (Reply 7):
Columbia first flew in 1981. Did laptops exist then?

Late 80's I had a huge portable Compaq PC ...you couldn't call it a laptop, it weighed around 25lbs - it had to be plugged into A/C, no battery. It had some kind of orange LCD screen, and 100MB drive.

They did have 'portable' computers since early 80's AFAIK.

We also used 'cellphones' around that time, that had batteries so big and heavy they had to be carried separately using a shoulder strap.

We've come a long way, looking at my smartphone!

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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:19 am

In the early 1990's in the military we used LCUs "Lightweight Computer Units" it came in a 5ft x 3ft x3ft container, it was waterproof and designed for easy mobility by 2 soldiers/Marines. Maybe 50-60pounds in weight. It was used to generate battery firing orders for an artillery battery.

Monochrome text screen maybe 7-8 inches in diagonal. An iPad mini has more screen real estate. Rugged used keyboard, SINCGARS radios for networking with the firing battery and counter battery radar and other headquarters, KY for encryption and hop set, batteries to keep the whole contraption running. Heavy duty plugs for external generator power hook up.
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RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Fri Dec 06, 2013 9:12 pm

While off-topic, my 486 DX4-100 (AMD, tuned from a 486 DX 33 could not even play MP3s in Stereo, Mono only.

I even used it for internet in the 90s, with a 14.400 modem 14.4k Modem. That was 10 minutes/megabyte. Those were the days. It both had 3,5 and 5.25 floppy drives.

Still, it booted with windows 3.1. in less than one minute. I would guess, if you put it next to my PC and start with the following job "Switch on your pc and print one page with MS Word", it would win this challenge easily compared to my Windows Vista computer.

I should go to my mums cellar and see if it can work if I switch it on. Or maybe not.
 
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Re: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:33 am

I find this very satisfying......does anyone else?
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Re: RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:54 am

rwessel wrote:

Oh, and 8MHz 8086, 256KB of RAM, 384KB of bubble storage for "disk".



You wild and crazy kids, try using one of the old steam computers, my first computer had a 1.77MHZ proc with 16k of ram, storage was on magnetic tape. It was slow, but I will tell you, you learnt how to code cleanly pretty quickly back in those days, you just didn't have the space to play with.
 
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Re: RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:24 am

NBGSkyGod wrote:
Glad I am not an astronaut, I would be ejecting disks for hours of amusement (yes I am entertained by simple things).


place I worked for as a student ( small devel shop working on mag lev transport )
had an ownership change. The new bosses thought it mandatory we have a paper shredder.

~20++ highly paid engineer's hours were lost from everybody finding it extremely satisfying
to feed it with paper and see how it decomposes ( or got stuck from overfeeding ) :-)).
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Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:40 pm

jetwet1 wrote:
rwessel wrote:

Oh, and 8MHz 8086, 256KB of RAM, 384KB of bubble storage for "disk".



You wild and crazy kids, try using one of the old steam computers, my first computer had a 1.77MHZ proc with 16k of ram, storage was on magnetic tape. It was slow, but I will tell you, you learnt how to code cleanly pretty quickly back in those days, you just didn't have the space to play with.

My school had this rock star:

https://www.pdp8.net/pdp8i/pdp8i.shtml

http://www.ricomputermuseum.org/Home/equipment/pdp-8-i

Could hold 8k of core memory (bank switched), normally came with 4k, but my school only bought 2k.

Basic cycle time was 0.833 MHz or 833 KHz, and half that if the instruction accessed memory.

At least it excelled at CPU vs memory performance relative to today's machines! :-)

It still boggles my mind that current high-end Intel chips take four clock cycles to read from L1 cache.
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Re: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:37 pm

Nahhhh...I still you take a bottle of bubble stuff and blow BIIIG assed bubbles..Perhaps with my head IN the bubble!!
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Re: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:55 pm

Amazing. That laptop is loaded with an infinite number of floppy disks. :white:
 
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Re: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:36 pm

Erebus wrote:
Amazing. That laptop is loaded with an infinite number of floppy disks. :white:


It is working off belted "ammunition". That is why they never show the left side of the laptop.
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Re: RE: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:08 pm

jetwet1 wrote:
rwessel wrote:

Oh, and 8MHz 8086, 256KB of RAM, 384KB of bubble storage for "disk".



You wild and crazy kids, try using one of the old steam computers, my first computer had a 1.77MHZ proc with 16k of ram, storage was on magnetic tape. It was slow, but I will tell you, you learnt how to code cleanly pretty quickly back in those days, you just didn't have the space to play with.


I knew a software consultant who coded in the 1970s with punch cards. He described how you would sketch your program, punch out the cards, then walk to another building at your appointed time to run your cards through the main frame. Naturally, a bug was very costly in time and you learned to do it very well the first time.

Today, not so much. I can do a write-debug cycle in seconds. It creates lazy coders.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:13 pm

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I knew a software consultant who coded in the 1970s with punch cards. He described how you would sketch your program, punch out the cards, then walk to another building at your appointed time to run your cards through the main frame. Naturally, a bug was very costly in time and you learned to do it very well the first time.

That was the way we learned to code in the 80s at my university.

The only "interactive" programming I did was a lot more problematic, since that lab had no way to enter your code except to compete with 90 other students for one of the eight directly attached terminals, and the lab hours were 8am to 6pm.

You've got to remember this was before things like the Internet, modems, PCs or even floppy disks were common.

Maybe people at high-end universities like Stanford or MIT were well past this kind of stuff, but most of the rest of us were not.

I remember that one of my dorm mates bought one of the first generation IBM-XT clones so he could do his own computing, but it cost more than an entire year of tuition and dorm fees.

Wrap your head around that!

It turned out to be pretty useless for him, since there were next to no other machines that could read his floppies, so he sat in the same queue I did.

He would have been better off buying his own key punch! :-)

Today, not so much. I can do a write-debug cycle in seconds. It creates lazy coders.

Same can be said for hardware engineers with programmable logic.

They used to have to get it right the first time, so they were damn careful and made sure to be conservative when it came to capabilities.

Now they're just as bad as software engineers, throwing together things to meet some crazy schedule the bosses pulled out of their backsides, but much of it is buggy garbage.
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Re: Ejecting A Floppy Disc In Space

Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:53 pm

I believe this is also entertaining:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n-HMSCDYtM

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