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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jul 08, 2020 5:17 pm

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The Brazilian Air Force has a requirement for 108 Gripens, to be delivered in three batches, finances changes over time, but a second batch is very likely for another 36. They would also be the provider of the Gripen in case of any sales to another customer in South America.


Thanks. Do you know the planned capacity of the Sao Paulo FAL? And will any export orders be supplied by slots for FAB being re-allocated for export?
 
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:53 pm

art wrote:
SAS A340 wrote:
The Brazilian Air Force has a requirement for 108 Gripens, to be delivered in three batches, finances changes over time, but a second batch is very likely for another 36. They would also be the provider of the Gripen in case of any sales to another customer in South America.


Thanks. Do you know the planned capacity of the Sao Paulo FAL? And will any export orders be supplied by slots for FAB being re-allocated for export?


I’m far less confident on Brazil getting 108 Gripens as I stated in reply #45.

The FAL capacity isn’t huge, I believe the original plan was to have 15 Brazil assembled Gripens out of the 36 total ordered, including all F models, but not sure if that plan has changed. I can’t see any exports to South America either, not exactly a long list of nations that both want new fighter jets and have decent relations with Brazil but even if they did given how long it would take to select and then build the aircraft I expect the line would be reasonably free for deliveries.
 
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:54 am

Getting to 108 will take a decade, assuming it happens. We can't afford a huge wave of deliveries. Especially after this pandemic. But I don't see getting to 108 as out of the realm of possibility despite the short-medium term financial outlook.
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:23 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if the 108 number was a result of political pressure from SAAB and the Swedish government. 36 fighters is a very small number to justify a production run of, especially when almost half of that number won't even be assembled in your country.
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:07 am

PPVRA wrote:
Getting to 108 will take a decade, assuming it happens. We can't afford a huge wave of deliveries. Especially after this pandemic. But I don't see getting to 108 as out of the realm of possibility despite the short-medium term financial outlook.

Brazil couldn't even afford to maintain and operate their previous fighter, the Mirage 2000, which they bought used from the French. They only lasted in service for less than 7 years in service.
 
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:04 pm

ThePointblank wrote:
PPVRA wrote:
Getting to 108 will take a decade, assuming it happens. We can't afford a huge wave of deliveries. Especially after this pandemic. But I don't see getting to 108 as out of the realm of possibility despite the short-medium term financial outlook.

Brazil couldn't even afford to maintain and operate their previous fighter, the Mirage 2000, which they bought used from the French. They only lasted in service for less than 7 years in service.


Those planes were bought only as a stop-gap measure between retiring the even older mirage 3s and receiving the Gripen. Alas, with the delays, even those planes ended up being retired before the Gripen arrived.
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:00 am

PPVRA wrote:
ThePointblank wrote:
PPVRA wrote:
Getting to 108 will take a decade, assuming it happens. We can't afford a huge wave of deliveries. Especially after this pandemic. But I don't see getting to 108 as out of the realm of possibility despite the short-medium term financial outlook.

Brazil couldn't even afford to maintain and operate their previous fighter, the Mirage 2000, which they bought used from the French. They only lasted in service for less than 7 years in service.


Those planes were bought only as a stop-gap measure between retiring the even older mirage 3s and receiving the Gripen. Alas, with the delays, even those planes ended up being retired before the Gripen arrived.

They bought the ex-French ones because they were dithering so much on a formal purchase of new Mirage 2000's due to funding issues.

Even then, they retired the jets just before the maintenance contract was up. If Brazil had the money to continue to operate the Mirage 2000's, they would have extended the contract, and be still operating the jets while they waited on Gripen.
 
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:40 am

As a simple calculation, if Brazil is to produce about 15 aircraft by 2024 ie in about 2.5 years, then the FAL can handle at least 6 per annum. Assuming initial frames will take longer to build than later ones due to the learning process, the FAL could produce at a higher rate.

Setting up an FAL, producing some aircraft then allowing it to idle for lack of orders is an expensive exercise. Surely a further order is necessary in the near future to keep the FAL and supply chains busy, even if that order is only for a small number. Ordering another dozen to stabilise the supply chain and FAL would make sense to me.

True, you need a budget to do that but you would need a bigger budget if the production process were disrupted.
 
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:14 am

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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:34 am

This seems to be the main Gripen update thread so I’ll just post it here, Saab’s package offer to Finland;

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... -bid_11910

Sounds similar to what they offered for Brazil.
 
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:19 am

First Gripen has arrived in Brazil although was shipped in and not flown from Sweden. Will be officially handed over in late October and will be conducting additional test flights until more Gripens arrive in late 2021.

First Brazilian Gripen arrives in-country

The first Saab Gripen E for Brazil arrived in-country on 20 September, having been shipped from Norrköping in Sweden.

As previously reported by Janes , this first Gripen E is a flight test instrumentation (FTI) aircraft (serial number FAB4100) that has been flying in Sweden since August 2019.

Now in Brazil, FAB4100 will undergo further testing at the Gripen Flight Test Center (GFTC) in Gavião Peixoto, São Paulo, before being officially presented to the country at the air force’s Aviator Day event in Brasília on 23 October.

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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... in-country
 
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:21 am

Ozair wrote:
First Gripen has arrived in Brazil although was shipped in and not flown from Sweden. Will be officially handed over in late October and will be conducting additional test flights until more Gripens arrive in late 2021.


Another year before Brazil receives another Gripen E? Why so long? Perhaps one aircraft suffices for testing purposes?
 
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:38 pm

A very short video of the unloading here.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfvY--P5pEc
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:09 pm

"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
 
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:12 am

"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
 
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First flight of the F-39 Gripen in Brazil

Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:15 pm

Hello everyone,

Yesterday was a historic day for the Brazilian Air Force. The first Gripen E fighter intended for Brazil made its first flight. Here in this link you will find an extensive and complete article about it with tons of photos, diagrams, infographics and much more. It is worth visiting and reading.

http://aviacaoemfloripa.blogspot.com/2020/09/f-39e-gripen-uma-nova-era-para-fab-tem.html


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Re: First flight of the F-39 Gripen in Brazil

Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:04 pm

It was funny that they shipped it over in what looked like the cargo ship/container used for Godzilla.
 
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Re: First flight of the F-39 Gripen in Brazil

Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:07 pm

texl1649 wrote:
It was funny that they shipped it over in what looked like the cargo ship/container used for Godzilla.

Yeah an interesting decision. I guess flying just one aircraft over would have been a significant cost and it appears they didn't want to remove the wings and fly it over in an AN-124.
 
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Re: Brazil Gripen E News and Discussion Thread

Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:00 am

Does anyone have any idea about:

- progress in designing/building the 2 seat F verson

- the delivery schedule for further E aircraft to Brazilian soil

- when Brazilian Air Force will introduce Gripen E into service

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