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RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:31 pm

According to this weblink, the Voyagers have been grounded because of a flight that plummeted 2,000ft over Turkey last weekend, best put that Tristar retirement on hold chaps!
http://web202.ssvc.com/news/articles/raf/2166
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:31 pm

Out of the 9 originally acquired, ZD949 has not flown since 2011, (and has been a spares source ever since), ZE706 has been stored since 2013, and ZD952 went into storage recently. That leaves only 6 aircraft.

Of those 6, ZE704/5 are pure transports leaving only 4 Tankers.

The RAF had best get a more on, if this is a major issue.
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:40 pm

Didn't a QF A-330 have a similar event a few years ago? Getting the L-1011s back in service shouldn't be a big problem. The story says it is paperwork that is the problem.
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 5:57 am

[quote=KC135TopBoom,reply=2]Didn't a QF A-330 have a similar event a few years ago?

Hi mate,
Yes, a QF A330 had a similar incident over Western Australia years ago. Heavily investigated. I can't remember the outcome of the investigation though. If it was serious enough, wouldn't more than just RAF Voyagers be grounded? That suggests that it could somehow be a Voyager-specific problem. As far as I know, the RAAF's KC-30s are not affected but obviously the top brass will be watching carefully...
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:17 am

Quoting BSU747 (Thread starter):
plummeted 2,000ft

Seems a bit dramatic !
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 9:42 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):
Out of the 9 originally acquired, ZD949 has not flown since 2011, (and has been a spares source ever since), ZE706 has been stored since 2013, and ZD952 went into storage recently. That leaves only 6 aircraft.

Yet another very expensive shambles?????
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:12 pm

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 5):

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):
Out of the 9 originally acquired, ZD949 has not flown since 2011, (and has been a spares source ever since), ZE706 has been stored since 2013, and ZD952 went into storage recently. That leaves only 6 aircraft.

Yet another very expensive shambles?????

Are they ever likely to fly again or is "Stored" a euphamism for very slowly scrapped like on of the Sentrys was recently?
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:16 pm

I understand that ZD952 has had No.2 engine removed, but is otherwise complete.

Not sure about ZE706, but according to www.eucomairlines,de ZD949 is engineless.
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:49 pm

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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:32 pm

www.eucomairlines.de indicates that ZE706 is also engineless.
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:34 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 4):
Quoting BSU747 (Thread starter):
plummeted 2,000ft

Seems a bit dramatic !


Other reports say it was 5,000 ft.
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:31 pm

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 6):
Are they ever likely to fly again or is "Stored" a euphamism for very slowly scrapped like on of the Sentrys was recently?

One has been sitting at Marshalls slowly being robbed for spares for quite a while, this was the frame that was abortively converted to a "glass flightdeck" No chance at all of that one ever flying again. I noticed two weeks ago that it now has a companion sitting beside it.
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Fri Feb 14, 2014 1:09 pm

The first one was ZD949, according to www.eucomairlines.de
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Sun Feb 16, 2014 2:01 pm

So if you are going to park so many and use them for spare parts, does that mean that it is cheaper to purchase an a/c for its parts versus just buy an a/c and purchase parts when needed?
I believe the a/c that are parked are the pax versions and not tanker conversions, the number of A330's deployed world wide should negate the need for "customized" spares.
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Sun Feb 16, 2014 5:34 pm

ZD949 is a KC1, it was the testbed for the "Glass Cockpit" which was cancelled.

I imagine that the cost of de converting it would have been excessive.

Stored 2010-2011, and picked for spares since 2011.

ZD952 is a KC1 and went into storage at Kemble recently.

ZE706 is a C2 and went into storage in 2013.

So there is no clear pattern of the aircraft being withdrawn.

Also supplies of "new" parts would be very limited, as would aircraft in the desert that would be a suitable source of spares.
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Mon Feb 17, 2014 10:23 am

Quoting par13del (Reply 13):
So if you are going to park so many and use them for spare parts, does that mean that it is cheaper to purchase an a/c for its parts versus just buy an a/c and purchase parts when needed?
I believe the a/c that are parked are the pax versions and not tanker conversions, the number of A330's deployed world wide should negate the need for "customized" spares.

They're talking about old three holers not the A330s ! It took some time for me to understand it too !
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:40 pm

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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:24 pm

The MAA (Military Aviation Authority) has now released the report on the sunden loss of altitude:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/293230/interim_si_voyager_report.pdf

No technical problem found with ac .
It is said that the Captain, then alone on the flight deck, moved his seat, which moved a camera which moved the side-stick forward which commanded the ac to plunge.
Costly seat adjustment.
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Fri Mar 21, 2014 7:54 pm

Quoting breiz (Reply 17):
No technical problem found with ac .
It is said that the Captain, then alone on the flight deck, moved his seat, which moved a camera which moved the side-stick forward which commanded the ac to plunge.
Costly seat adjustment.

Oh wow... didn't see that one coming...
 
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:48 am

While the F/O was in the galley the captain adjusted his seat forward. His private camera got jammed between the armrest and the sidestick, pushing the sidestick forward. That disconnected the autopilot and put the plane into a dive, 4000 ft in 27 seconds, until he retrieved the camera.

Thanks God it was a FBW plane with envelope protection. Therefore no outside loop, but max 10 degrees descend and protection against overspeed.

Next will probably be a jammed whiskey bottle under the rudder pedals.
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:31 am

Were there any punishments/groundings for the flight crew for this action?
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RE: RAF Voyagers Grounded?

Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:56 pm

A quick glance at the accident report has me amazed that the grounding ever happened. The offending camera clearly showed signs of damage from being jammed between the seat and sidestick, if the Captain had reported this immediately surely a grounding order wouldn't have been issued, merely an instruction to keep foreign objects out of the immediate area concerned.

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