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Report: Jan 2012 Usaaf HH-60 Crash Caused By Geese

Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:31 am

Just announced in local media (Eastern Daily Press and BBC Norfolk) that January's crash at Cley-next-the-Sea, Norfolk, was caused by a multiple bird strike. Three birds entered the cockpit and incapacitated the pilot.

Source (updated): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28224917

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USAF helicopter crash: 'Multiple bird strikes' blamed
9 July 2014 Last updated at 10:36

Investigators have found "clear" evidence "bird strikes" caused a helicopter crash which killed four men.

Capt Christopher Stover, Capt Sean Ruane, Tech Sgt Dale Mathews and Staff Sgt Afton Ponce died on a training mission near Cley in January.

They were in an HH-60G Pave Hawk, which was part of 48th Fighter Wing at RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk.

The Accident Investigation Branch says the bird strikes "rendered" both the pilot and co-pilot unconscious.


Report: http://www.usafe.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-140709-005.pdf

Original discussion here: Helicopter Down In UK - Norfolk (by sandyb123 Jan 7 2014 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

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RE: Report: Jan 2012 Usaaf HH-60 Crash Caused By Geese

Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:45 am

Damn shame. I wonder if the pilots had their visors down on their helmets? I have had several bird strikes, and one on the avionics door (UH-60) sounded like sounded somebody hit it with a baseball bat. My experience is that a bird strike is louder than being hit with a 7.62X39 round. Low level flight doesn't give much time to sort out a major event such as this.
 
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RE: Report: Jan 2012 Usaaf HH-60 Crash Caused By Geese

Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:14 am

What is sad was that I was reading some comment over at the BBC coverage of this story that somebody was questioning doing low level flights over game refuges (although this one looked like the size of a parking lot)

Would they prefer these crews train over their houses? Give me a break!
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RE: Report: Jan 2012 Usaaf HH-60 Crash Caused By Geese

Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:02 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
What is sad was that I was reading some comment over at the BBC coverage of this story that somebody was questioning doing low level flights over game refuges (although this one looked like the size of a parking lot)

Would they prefer these crews train over their houses? Give me a break!

There are huge swathes of Norfolk and Suffolk which are not designated as reserves, and do not have conditions suitable for large numbers of large birds to live there so they do not.

Aircraft are required to avoid obstacles - hills, bridges, pylons, towers etc. Surely they are also required to take into account local hazards like animal reserves and the issues they present? Flying low level over an area where large birds are likely to be frightened by your presence and become a flight hazard is not a situation which is unpredictable - in this case, flying 500 yards out to sea or further inland around the reserve would have more than likely avoided the situation altogether.

Oh, and we get the USAF and US Army training over our houses all the time here, its a common sight to see F-15s from Lakenheath doing combat over Norwich.
 
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RE: Report: Jan 2012 Usaaf HH-60 Crash Caused By Geese

Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:05 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 3):
Aircraft are required to avoid obstacles - hills, bridges, pylons, towers etc. Surely they are also required to take into account local hazards like animal reserves and the issues they present? Flying low level over an area where large birds are likely to be frightened by your presence and become a flight hazard is not a situation which is unpredictable - in this case, flying 500 yards out to sea or further inland around the reserve would have more than likely avoided the situation altogether.

Read the report... the flight path was planned to avoid known bird risk areas, as well as nature reserves & natural conservation areas. what could not be predicted is that a storm surge in the days before had led the geese to stop overnight further down the coastline, right where they ended up flying.

Hence, despite thorough flight planning taking into account all known information including all known/published bird hasard areas (from high through to moderate et al), they still met up with birds. nature is quite unpredictable.

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RE: Report: Jan 2012 Usaaf HH-60 Crash Caused By Geese

Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:09 pm

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 4):
Read the report... the flight path was planned to avoid known bird risk areas, as well as nature reserves & natural conservation areas. what could not be predicted is that a storm surge in the days before had led the geese to stop overnight further down the coastline, right where they ended up flying.

Yeah, the reports wrong - there are significant numbers of geese at that reservation all year round (I take the dogs for walks along that section of the Norfolk coastline).

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