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Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:35 pm

fair use extract:

Isis militants are believed to be learning to fly three captured fighter jets, which could signal the terrorist group taking to the air for the first time.

Monitoring group the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights claims the militants have obtained three war planes, believed to be MiG-21 and MiG-23 supersonic fighter jets, and have been flying them from the Al Jarrah airbase in Aleppo, Syria.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...lanes-by-iraqi-pilots-9802109.html
 
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:57 pm

Don't be surprised that tomorrow Al Jarrah will be bombed and put out of commission.
 
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:43 pm

Quoting chuchoteur (Thread starter):
Monitoring group the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights claims the militants have obtained three war planes, believed to be MiG-21 and MiG-23 supersonic fighter jets, and have been flying them from the Al Jarrah airbase in Aleppo, Syria.

If true and if they ever do take to the air in a combat role they won't last long at all.....

Quoting Karadion (Reply 1):
Don't be surprised that tomorrow Al Jarrah will be bombed and put out of commission.

  

However I am curious if they also have ground to air missiles waiting for any coalition aircraft that may attack.

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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:48 pm

It's one thing to teach someone to fly a fighter jet, it's another to actually learn how to effectively use one in a combat role. This really is no big deal other than fodder for the press. If true though, these birds won't make it off the tarmac, but will instead be bombed out hulls of scrap metal.
 
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Fri Oct 17, 2014 7:40 pm

...mainly goes to show that ISIS managed to get their hands on a wide variety of captured weaponry... that's likely to be used elsewhere and not necessarily close to where it originated.
 
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:55 pm

F-15, F-16, F/A-18, and F-22 pilots are chomping at the bit for them to show up.
 
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:28 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):

You are not kidding, I have had a great pleasure to meet and talk to many of our finest fighter pilots over the years and jokingly spreading they would give up their first born for an air to air kill. If the story is true these aircraft are lawn darts waiting to happen, they would not survive a second against modern fighters that Turkey, Israel, and US have.
 
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Sun Oct 19, 2014 3:02 am

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 4):
...mainly goes to show that ISIS managed to get their hands on a wide variety of captured weaponry... that's likely to be used elsewhere and not necessarily close to where it originated.

Indeed. If you watch the arms movement, you will notice ISIL is moving arms between Iraq and Syria, with transfers of heavy systems going from Iraq to Syria.
 
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:30 pm

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/1...s-syria-jets-idUKKCN0IB1H220141022

Syria's air force has destroyed two fighter jets operated by Islamic State militants in the north of the country, Information Minister Omran Zoabi said in remarks published on Syria's state news agency SANA late on Tuesday.

Zoabi said the Syrian air force was searching for the third jet but had destroyed two of them, the first time Damascus has acknowledged that Islamic State are flying the aircraft.
 
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:12 am

Am I the only one that thought they were going to fly the planes from Libya?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
F-15, F-16, F/A-18, and F-22 pilots are chomping at the bit for them to show up.

Especially the F-22 pilots. If this is true, this could the the Raptors first air-to-air sortie.
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:00 am

Don't worry. The old MiGs of the Syrian air force have already destroyed two of these planes, at least this is what the Syrian government claims, and they are looking for the third.
Assad is closely connected to the Syrian Air Force, where his father was a pilot.

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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:25 pm

All they need is a ISIS kamikaze strike into the US embassy
in Baghdad and they score all sorts of propoganda points.

Only takes one rickety jet to pull off that feat   
 
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:50 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 11):
All they need is a ISIS kamikaze strike into the US embassy
in Baghdad and they score all sorts of propoganda points.

Only takes one rickety jet to pull off that feat

In Sri lanka the rebel Tamil Tigers loaded at least one Socata Rallye sports plane full of HE and attempted to kamikaze
it into a government installation. At least one plane got shot down by army helicopters.

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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:30 am

I wonder if the "Airplane Repo" guys couldn't shoot an episode or two "stealing" some of these jets, and "getting them out to safety"...
 
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:45 am

They'll find out very rapidly when they go up against a western trained Pilot that its not quite as 'easy' as executing an unarmed man.


These pathetic cowards will be dead meat and rightfully so.
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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:16 pm

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 11):

Only takes one rickety jet to pull off that feat

It would take a semi-stealthy rickety jet . . . as there would be plenty of radar coverage around Baghdad (if only to keep the local planes from bumping into each other).

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RE: Isis Training To Fly Captured Fighter Aircraft

Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:31 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 14):
They'll find out very rapidly when they go up against a western trained Pilot that its not quite as 'easy' as executing an unarmed man.


These pathetic cowards will be dead meat and rightfully so.

Two of the jets are already down thanks to the Syrian Air Force with their old MiGs.
The biggest danger doesn't come from some old fast jets, which need long runways and a maintenance infrastructure easily destroyed, but from small to medium size prop planes (up to the size of an AN-2), which can fly close to the ground at night, can take off on any short stretch of road, have a small radar cross section and can be loaded with high explosives for a suicide mission, basically a human controlled cruise missile.

The North Koreans used (and possibly still use) AN-2s to insert special forces soldiers and spies into South Korea. Flying at tree top height, they are very difficult to detect at night.

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