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Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:40 am

There must be a few examples of this around the world still, perhaps in Africa, anyone familiar with this ?
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:02 am

There is an extravagant state aircraft that I know of, but it isn't based in Africa. It has 4 engines, is painted a pretty shade of blue, and is owned by some country in the Americas  
 
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:04 am

That's why some of these places will always be poor! Terrible mismanagement of their nations meager finances!
 
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Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:30 am

We instructor pilots at Reese AFB, Lubbock in around the 1977-78 time frame used to see the royal Iranian 707 come in most Friday afternoons to pick up the prince (the Shah's son) who was undergoing pilot training there. I had no idea where he went on weekends, but the Royal 707 would show up again Monday morning and Reza Palahavi Jr.(sic) would be ready to fly his T-38 training sortie. I believe he is still alive and resides in NY or thereabouts in exile.
 
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:35 am

Quoting N415XJ (Reply 1):

more than just one btw...

Quoting Max Q (Thread starter):

A G-IV or a Falcon 900 might be somewhat elaborate, but it's not like it might have been 30-40 years ago with people like Mobuto or Mariam. They were either deposed, ran out of other people's money (e.g. Mugabe) or are still flying 727s or 732s to this day. Their successors all fly more modest planes now.

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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:42 am

There is an extravagant state aircraft that I know of, but it isn't based in the Americas. It has 4 engines, is painted a pretty shade of blue, and is owned by some country in Africa.
 
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:47 am

Quoting RetiredWeasel (Reply 3):

Yeah, I think the way the equipment is used is the actual luxury in some of these government, not so much the plane itself. Thinking of people like Christina in Argentina and her newspapers flown in from afarbad a good example too. While its somewhat understandable that leaders have their cars flown in, the frequency and quantity of flights seems a better indicator of waste. The ultimate luxury is the service level provided, not the plane itself. And there the Arabs probably take the cake and every poor country can try to emulate that to the best of their ability if they like.
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:29 am

All the united dictators of the world can't beat this waste of money:

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In February 2009, President Barack Obama asked Secretary of Defense Robert Gates about placing the VH-71 Kestrel project on hold or canceling it because of its high cost: over $13 billion for the planned 28 helicopters. In June 2009, the U.S. Navy terminated the contract after spending about $4.4 billion and taking delivery of nine VH-71s. The helicopters were then sold to Canada for $164 million.


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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:28 pm

Quoting Pacific (Reply 5):
There is an extravagant state aircraft that I know of, but it isn't based in the Americas. It has 4 engines, is painted a pretty shade of blue, and is owned by some country in Africa.

Wow, quite the echo in here...
 
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:57 pm

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 7):
All the united dictators of the world can't beat this waste of money:

That is very true. We win!

Still. The US president travels long range with a flotilla of aircraft. 2 VC-25, C-5M, Globemasters and the list goes on.
 
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:48 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 9):
Still. The US president travels long range with a flotilla of aircraft. 2 VC-25, C-5M, Globemasters and the list goes on.

I guess that can be justified if you need to travel with the limo.

I just wanted to mention the VH-71 procurement because it struck me as completely insane. But at least it was stopped thanks to democratic control.
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:34 pm

How about the Mexican presidential 787 ?

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Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:56 pm

Quoting alberchico (Reply 11):

I think that's a good example of excessive spending, because I suppose you pay a premium to possess a 787 in this early stage, and it will not fly often enough to take advantage of its good economics.
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:05 am

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 12):

Probably not all that much as IIRC it's a terrible teen
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:12 am

Is a baguette oven extravagant enough ?

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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:54 am

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 12):
I think that's a good example of excessive spending, because I suppose you pay a premium to possess a 787 in this early stage,

I don't know exactly where on the line their plane came from, but it's more likely the opposite.
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:25 am

Ah, it has rotten batteries and fire damage? Okay, my bad.
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Tue Nov 25, 2014 7:13 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 171):
Quoting titus95 (Reply 170):
C/N 41987/11 has D-ABQQ registration reserved for a German BBJ Customer. Who is it? That will be the first German 787.

LN11 will be used as Korean Air government aircraft. The German registration means it will be outfitted in Germany.

The above exchange from the 787 Production & Delivery thread is a bit unclear whether it really meant LN11 will be operated by Korean Air (presumably, the RoKAF will) as a dedicated Government transport commercially available to others when not in use. Nonetheless, South Korea is a progressive country and taking an efficient, early-build frame could already be seen as a nod to austerity, considering their current jumbo jet.....

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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:39 am

Quoting RetiredWeasel (Reply 3):
Reza Palahavi Jr.

Your story rings true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Pahlavi

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 12):
I think that's a good example of excessive spending, because I suppose you pay a premium to possess a 787 in this early stage, and it will not fly often enough to take advantage of its good economics.

The interweb suggests that frame was the 6th frame off the line, which was a Boeing test frame. Given it was heavier than later production units it was not desired by the airlines, and it was said that Mexico got a good price on it. Given it won't fly much the extra weight doesn't matter much. Given it's mostly made of CFRP and that hundreds if not thousands more 787s will be built after it, chances are it'll be a viable airframe for a very long time.
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:04 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):

Yes, I understand. Not a good example then. Thanks.
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:25 pm

Quoting alberchico (Reply 11):
How about the Mexican presidential 787 ?

That will be used to carry the Mexican Imelda Marcos and her husband the president.
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RE: Extravagant State Aircraft In Poor Countries

Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:00 am

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