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Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Fri May 08, 2015 1:51 am

Ref: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...oeing-kuwait-idUSKBN0NR21F20150506

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Kuwait is expected to announce in coming weeks an order for 28 Boeing Co (BA.N) F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, a $3 billion-plus deal that will keep the jets' St. Louis production line running well into 2019, according to people familiar with the deal.

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The Kuwait order, as well as separate moves by lawmakers to approve the U.S. Navy's request for 12 extra Super Hornets, should now provide sufficient comfort for Boeing to bet its own money to extend its St. Louis production line. It is currently slated to shut down at the end of 2017.

Boeing spokeswoman Caroline Hutcheson said a near-term Middle Eastern order and congressional funding for 12 more Super Hornets would allow the company to continue delivering jets without a break in the production line.

She said both elements were needed, cautioning against any assumption that the Kuwaiti order alone would suffice to keep the line running beyond the end of 2017.

AoA aside, seems like some dollars might be changing hands soon?
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RE: Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Fri May 08, 2015 9:43 am

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
seems like some dollars might be changing hands soon?

Its a good choice for them. Without doubt Boeing provides a high level of OEM support to Kuwait and the relationship has to be pretty strong.

With an existing fleet of classic hornets the conversion to the SH should be pretty seamless, aircrew conversion takes only 5 rides and the SH will use the same missiles and drop tanks as the existing fleet. Interesting that they have opted for only 28 SH and 12 options as they have 34 classics (27Cs and 7Ds) from an initial fleet of 40. The SH will only be in production for maybe three more years so they will have to make the decision pretty quick.

Do we have any idea if these are all single seat E models or a mix of E & F?
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:36 am

The Kuwaiti's are apparently talking with Italy regarding Eurofighters:

http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...acchi-rafale-egypt-qatar/28494435/

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Kuwait has started discussions to buy up to 28 Eurofighters, a source with knowledge of the talks told Defense News.

Kuwait is discussing the deal with the Italian Defense Ministry, the Italian Air Force and Italian firm Alenia Aermacchi, which is the Eurofighter partner company that has led the Eurofighter marketing campaign in Kuwait.

Talks started May 31 and representatives of the Italian Defense Ministry, Air Force and Alenia Aermacchi are in Kuwait participating, the source said.

The talks cover the possible acquisition of two squadrons — or between 24 and 28 aircraft — plus training and logistics, the source added.

Under a military cooperation deal signed between Italy and Kuwait, two groups of Kuwaiti pilots have already trained at the Italian Air Force's training school in Lecce in southern Italy.

The article further notes that a Eurofighter order would not preclude a Super Hornet purchase; a possibility of a split buy would be in the cards if this goes through.
 
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RE: Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:07 pm

Super Hornet for ground attack and Eurofighter for air superiority / intercept?
 
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Tue Jun 09, 2015 10:34 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Eurofighter for air superiority / intercept?

I wonder how well the Typhoon would do in A2A against the IIAF F-14As? Should be the Eurofighter is the one to come home after the mission. The Tomcat, a smoking hole in the desert, or feeding fish at the bottom of the Persian Gulf.
 
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Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:37 am

Update: Negotiations regarding the Eurofighter at a very advanced stage, with Kuwait said to having agreed to buying 28 Eurofighters, with 22 single seat models and 6 twin seaters:

http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...einvigorate-typhoon-gulf/72080072/

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The source said the deal, which is worth €7 billion to €8 billion (US$7.9 billion to $9 billion), would be finalized by year end, with deliveries starting in 2019.

A deal for a swing-role fighter with weapons could involve munitions such as the Storm Shadow and Meteor.

Industry sources in the region said Kuwait has agreed to buy 22 single-seat and six twin-seat Typhoons. One industry executive said the agreement is welcome, not least because after a flurry of Middle Eastern successes this year for French rival Dassault with the Rafale, the Kuwaiti decision "reinvigorates other opportunities in the gulf region for Typhoon.”

Of note, the Eurofighters are expected to be Tranche 3 aircraft, equipped with the Captor-E radar, and fully capable of both the ground attack and air superiority mission. If this deal goes through, Kuwait would be the first operator of Tranche 3 aircraft equipped with the Captor-E radar.
 
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Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:27 am

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 5):
Of note, the Eurofighters are expected to be Tranche 3 aircraft, equipped with the Captor-E radar, and fully capable of both the ground attack and air superiority mission. If this deal goes through, Kuwait would be the first operator of Tranche 3 aircraft equipped with the Captor-E radar.

How long are they going to wait before receiving aircraft? I had no idea the Captor-E was so close to fielding.

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RE: Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:07 pm

Maybe someone should add the word "not" to the thread title.
 
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RE: Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:26 pm

Quoting wingman (Reply 7):
Maybe someone should add the word "not" to the thread title.

As per reply 2, this will likely be in addition to a Super Hornet purchase and not in place of.

Looks like the Kuwaiti's are keen to operate a dedicated interceptor fleet and a strike fleet and not use a single platform to undertake both roles.

Quoting angad84 (Reply 6):
I had no idea the Captor-E was so close to fielding.

Depends upon how much money they add to the development. I think CAPTOR-E has been had a low funding priority for awhile but the system is essentially ready to go.
 
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Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:49 pm

Quoting Ozair (Reply 8):
As per reply 2, this will likely be in addition to a Super Hornet purchase and not in place of.

As recently as 11 September US sources said the deal was still moving forward and Boeing in late July acknowledged they were in talks with an "unnamed Middle Eastern customer" for a Super Hornet purchase.
 
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Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:17 am

Quoting Ozair (Reply 8):
As per reply 2, this will likely be in addition to a Super Hornet purchase and not in place of.

I don't see that happening.

http://www.defencetalk.com/eurofight...-purchasing-28-fighter-jets-65377/
 
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Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:52 am

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
I don't see that happening.

Agence France-Presse seems to be assuming this is a sole-source deal, even though they report that Kuwait has been considering a dual-source purchase.

Back in June when the potential Typhoon sale first came to light, Defense News reported it was unlikely to preclude the Super Hornet deal and as noted in recent weeks, both the US and Boeing imply the Super Hornet deal is still in play.

It makes little sense to me to sign an LoI for the Super Hornet to only a month later sign another LoI for the Typhoon and scrap the former LoI. As such, I believe Kuwait will buy both. As a current Hornet operator, it makes sense for Kuwait to replace them with the Super Hornet while also adding the Typhoon as that doubles their fighter force and gives them a great air intercept and ground attack mix.
 
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RE: Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:08 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
As a current Hornet operator, it makes sense for Kuwait to replace them with the Super Hornet while also adding the Typhoon as that doubles their fighter force and gives them a great air intercept and ground attack mix.

It is also an excellent aircraft for anti-air if they ever fight alongside USAF F-22. With the proper tactics employed Red Flag did show that 2x F22 + 6x Eurofighters are just as effective as 8x F22 and similar tactics can probably be employed for the F35/EF combination.
And sourcing in the US and the EU is certainly better in ensuring support during a war than either one alone.

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RE: Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:53 pm

Quoting tommy1808 (Reply 12):
And sourcing in the US and the EU is certainly better in ensuring support during a war than either one alone.

With these rich countries, the additional cost of fielding multiple platforms may not be as burdensome. They can spend the money to sub out the product support while keeping good relations with all major powers. This is a much better way to bribe foreign government  

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Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:06 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 6):
I had no idea the Captor-E was so close to fielding.

To answer this question in a little more detail, I found the following link.

The Euroradar consortium is closing in on the flight-test phase for its Captor E-Scan active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, for the Eurofighter Typhoon.

A pair of instrumented production aircraft (IPA) will be used for the test effort – IPA5 from the UK and IPA8 from Germany – and are nearly ready for radar installation, says consortium chairman Andrew Cowdery.

“Both aircraft are nearing completion in terms of accepting the radar,” he says. The €1 billion ($1.1 billion) programme – which is part of a broader capability enhancement for the Typhoon – is "on track" to launch the next phase, which will require a "significant amount" of flight testing to complete the calibration and integration of the new radar.

Flight trials will kick off using IPA5 – which is running slightly ahead of its German sister aircraft, with the activity to begin this year.

Selex – a member of the Euroradar consortium – is also “well advanced” in its work with Saab to install and test the Raven ES-05 AESA radar on the developmental Gripen E, says Cowdery.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/euroradar-nears-flight-test-phase-for-captor-e-on-ty-416564/
 
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:56 pm

In a current article towards the Kuwait Typhoon order, several additional campaigns are mentioned:

- Belgium
- Bahrain
- UAE
- Finland
- Denmark
- Qatar
- Malaysia

The Saudi deal for the second tranch seems to be on ice for the time being, no surprise with the political changes within the Kingdom.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ngthens-pitch-as-saudi-sale-stalls

No idea how the chances are at above campaigns, anyone with some insight?
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RE: Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:28 pm

The EF is good choice, because they are a small country and the reaction they have is limited. And EF is the hot rod of todays fighter jets (F-22 aside). The SH would make of formidable back-up and strike aircraft.
 
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Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:27 pm

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 15):
In a current article towards the Kuwait Typhoon order, several additional campaigns are mentioned:

Of those campaigns my take is below

- Belgium - F-35 has to be the favourite
- Bahrain - I doubt Bahrain will buy anything but if they do F-16s would be the safe bet
- UAE - Rafale or Eurofighter but will probably depend on who offers the most increased flight access for EK and EY
- Finland - Given they are not expecting to be in service till 2025 F-35 has to be the front runner
- Denmark - F-35 again is favourite
- Qatar - Already gone for Rafale
- Malaysia - Anyone's guess and I doubt the Malaysians have any idea...
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:19 am

Boeing remain positive that a Super Hornet deal will be struck with Kuwait.

In the Gulf region there are a number of fighter requirements that remain to be resolved. One that is believed to be nearing fruition is that of Kuwait, where both Boeing (F/A-18E/F Super Hornet) and Eurofighter (Typhoon) are awaiting decisions

In September, an announcement was made that Kuwait had agreed on a deal to purchase 28 Typhoons, with Italy leading the sale on behalf of the four Eurofighter partner nations. Little has been released about subsequent negotiations, but UK defense procurement minister Philip Dunne said yesterday at the Dubai Airshow that the UK government was, “looking forward to a contract being signed soon.”
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Meanwhile, Boeing has been discussing the supply of a number of Super Hornets–possibly 28–to Kuwait, which currently operates the F/A-18C/D “legacy” versions of the Hornet. It is likely that Kuwait will proceed with both Typhoon and Super Hornet deals. “We understand it’s a split buy,” remarked Jeff Kohler, v-p International Sales for Boeing Defense, Space and Security (BDS).


http://aviationweek.com/dubai-air-sh...-anticipates-fighter-contract-wins

In a separate article Boeing also indicates they have won a separate deal for fighter aircraft from another Middle east Customer but are waiting on congressional approval.

Boeing officials say they have won a couple of fighter competitions in the Middle East that have yet to be formally approved and are “frustrated” at the slow action.

“I think we will see movement early next year,” says Paul Oliver, vice president of business development in the Middle East for Boeing. “We’ve been waiting on some approvals from the U.S. government, and we’re close to those.”

http://aviationweek.com/dubai-air-sh...-anticipates-fighter-contract-wins

Reuters is reporting it could be Qatar for F-15s.

Boeing did not give any specifics, but sources familiar with the matter say a $3 billion deal for 28 F/A-18E/F fighter jets for Kuwait that includes options for 12 more jets, and a separate deal for F-15 fighters for Qatar, have languished in the U.S. regulatory process.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0SZ0K020151110#qgQw2pgMkQgSZRtK.97
 
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Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:50 am

Quoting Ozair (Reply 18):
Reuters is reporting it could be Qatar for F-15s.

This would be a major expansion of the Qatari Air Force. From just 9 Mirage 2000's in inventory to 24 Rafale's plus F-15E's. Unless something happened with the Qatari Rafale order?
 
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Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:55 am

Kuwait has apparently allocated an additional US$10 billion for arms purchases for the next ten years. The article below indicates it could be for the Eurofighter which Kuwait agreed to purchase last September amongst a whole slew of other purchases.

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Kuwait's parliament unanimously approved on Wednesday a request by the oil-rich Gulf state's government for $10 billion in additional funds for military spending during the next 10 years.

The funds would be used to purchase new fighter jets, tanks and air defence systems, Defence Minister Sheikh Khaled Jarrah Al-Sabah said.
http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/new...d-an-additional-10-billion-on-arms

Not sure this plays for Boeing and the potential SH order but at this point in time doesn't look good.
 
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Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:41 am

Tnx for the update...
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Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:28 pm

F18 it is.

http://www.reuters.com/article/kuwait-defence-idUSL8N1550FT

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Kuwait's air force is sticking to plans to purchase Boeing's F-18 Super Hornet to replace ageing fighter jets, despite a lengthy congressional approval process in Washington that has frustrated industry players.

"The Super Hornet is one of the best solutions for us," Abdullah Al Foudary, commander of the Kuwait Air Force, said on the sidelines of an industry event in Bahrain. "We have the legacy F-18s that we have to find a solution for in 2030-2040."
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:44 am

Great news!! A wise decision.
 
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Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:01 pm

Quoting Ozair (Reply 18):
Reuters is reporting it could be Qatar for F-15s.

Apparently they want 73 F-15s, with the first 36 delivered within 4 years. http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...h-jet-sales-kuwait-qatar/79109014/
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Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:47 am

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 22):
F18 it is.

http://www.reuters.com/article/kuwai...550FT

Jane's is reporting Super Hornets AND Eurofighters, as part of an enlarged Kuwaiti Air Force:
http://www.janes.com/article/57366/k...rms-intention-to-buy-super-hornets
 
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Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:33 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 22):
despite a lengthy congressional approval process in Washington that has frustrated industry players

Good luck fixing Congress.
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Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:16 am

Reports are that Kuwait won't approve the Eurofighter acquisition until they see a cost breakdown.

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DUBAI — Italian defense firm Finmeccanica and Eurofighter have to present cost breakdowns to the Kuwaiti State Audit Bureau before they see a signature on a deal for 28 fighter jets secured.

Kuwaiti news portal kuwaitnews.com cited parliamentary sources stating that the deal has been refused by the Kuwaiti State Audit Bureau due to a lack of information on costs regarding technical support, training, spare parts and the construction of building structures.

"The deal has been held back by the State Audit Bureau of Kuwait. It is still in discussion in the parliament and some feel that the deal is a non-starter because of the price and the fact that it will not help the Air Force at this point,"

Al-Shayji said that in an analysis conducted by the Kuwaiti Air Force, the Eurofighter came out on top of the F/A-18 Super Hornet.

Still, Air Force officials prefer the Super Hornets.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...rates-eurofighter-kuwait/79815334/

So cost is an issue and not a surprise since a lot of people are surprised at the number quoted for 28 Eurofighters. Also shows that although the Kuwait Air Force evaluated the Eurofighter as better than the SH the cost difference is the critical factor and they won't just buy the better jet no matter the price.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 26):
Good luck fixing Congress.

According to Kuwait Congress is not the problem.

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"The US is procrastinating, at this time their unwillingness to supply the F-18s to Kuwait and the F-15s to Qatar is proving that Obama's statements during the Camp David meetings are not coming along," he added. "The American administration has to live up to their word and be pushing the deal instead of blocking it; this is the first time that we see the administration holding back a deal while Congress is pushing for it."
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:44 am

The Kuwaiti Super Hornet deal is on advanced life support due to delays:

http://www.ibtimes.com/boeing-defens...hornet-deal-left-uncertain-2284719
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:11 pm

Quoting Ozair (Reply 27):
According to Kuwait Congress is not the problem.

I wonder if the Administration is getting pressured by Israel to deny the deals.
 
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Tue Apr 05, 2016 12:52 pm

http://twitter.com/finmeccanicaweb/status/717326937413300224

Apparently the Eurofighter deal is done, but no one has reported the exact price yet.

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Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:50 pm

Quoting angad84 (Reply 30):

$8.7 billion apparently. Covers the aircraft, munitions, training and the new EF2K AESA.

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Wed Apr 06, 2016 2:18 am

Boeing can't get a break these days. No part of the F-35, products such as F-15 and F-18 have mostly run their course, C-17 shut down, KC-46 late and well over budget. What happened to the good old days when some fat envelopes passed under the table would close the deal?  
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Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:10 am

Quoting angad84 (Reply 31):
$8.7 billion apparently. Covers the aircraft, munitions, training and the new EF2K AESA.

Not cheap and close to what Qatar paid for their Rafales.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 32):
Boeing can't get a break these days.

There is continued talk of moving the SH production line to India and I would assume Boeing gets royalty payments on every SH India manufactured...

http://www.sundayguardianlive.com/ne.../4007-f18-jets-could-be-made-india
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:24 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 32):

Boeing can't get a break these days. No part of the F-35, products such as F-15 and F-18 have mostly run their course, C-17 shut down, KC-46 late and well over budget

You have to wonder what long term benefit buying McDD has actually brought to Boeing - McDDs main product lines all seem to be running their natural course with no follow on, while Boeings toe-in in the military market seems to be collapsing to the same tankers and support aircraft that it had cornered before the acquisition in the first place.
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2016 8:41 am

Seems like winning the T-X project will be very important for Boeing.
 
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Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:41 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 29):
I wonder if the Administration is getting pressured by Israel to deny the deals.

I'm sure Bibis voice carries a lot of weight with the present occupant of the White House.
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:05 am

So, it looks like the SH deal to Kuwait may finally go through.

Quote:
The U.S. government is poised to approve two long-delayed sales of Boeing Co fighter jets to Qatar and Kuwait, and could announce the multibillion-dollar deals during President Barack Obama's visit to the Gulf this week, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Both deals have been stalled amid concerns raised by Israel that equipment sent to Gulf states could fall into the wrong hands and be used against it, and by the Obama administration's broader decision-making on military aid to the Gulf.

However, the Pentagon and the State Department both have signed off on the sale of some 36 F-15 fighter jets to Qatar and 24 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets to Kuwait, both built by Boeing. The White House is expected to follow suit shortly.

The sale to Kuwait is worth about $3 billion and the one to Qatar is probably close to $4 billion, sources familiar with the matter said.

"The last hurdle now is getting approval from the National Security Council and the White House," said one of the sources.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-mideast-gulf-idUSKCN0XF2KU

Question is, will the Kuwaities still want them as well as Eurofighters and do they have the moeny to pay for both?
 
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Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:28 pm

Quoting Ozair (Reply 37):
Question is, will the Kuwaities still want them as well as Eurofighters and do they have the moeny to pay for both?

I'm guessing they still do if the US plans to sign the agreement. The Eurofighter and Super Hornet sound like they would perform different missions so perhaps the two models are complimentary.

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Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:33 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 38):
I'm guessing they still do if the US plans to sign the agreement. The Eurofighter and Super Hornet sound like they would perform different missions so perhaps the two models are complimentary.

I personally don't think the Kuwaiti's want Super Hornet now.

A order for both Eurofighter and Super Hornet would mean that the Kuwaiti's intend on doubling the size of their air force over the next few years. With oil as it is right now, and the trends in oil pricing, I can't see the Kuwaiti's affording both aircraft, let alone trying to man them and sustain them, which would be very costly in the long run.
 
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RE: Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Sat Apr 23, 2016 2:49 am

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 39):
I personally don't think the Kuwaiti's want Super Hornet now.

Fair enough.

Boeing's not going to be pleased losing an order to Finmeccanica because of Israel, so maybe the IAF will take them or a brace of F-15s.  Silly

[Edited 2016-04-22 19:50:19]
 
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Sun Apr 24, 2016 3:36 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 40):
Fair enough.

Boeing's not going to be pleased losing an order to Finmeccanica because of Israel, so maybe the IAF will take them or a brace of F-15s. Silly

No, and even if Kuwait wanted to double the size of their fighter jet force, buying two very different fighters that costs about the same and have totally different supply chains isn't the way to do it.

I don't think the Israeli's are even considering buying more 4th generation fighters like the F/A-18 or F-15's; they seem firmly committed to F-35. The Israeli's are not fools; they get the best equipment that's available to them, not what's cheapest.
 
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RE: Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:28 am

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 39):

I personally don't think the Kuwaiti's want Super Hornet now.

A order for both Eurofighter and Super Hornet would mean that the Kuwaiti's intend on doubling the size of their air force over the next few years. With oil as it is right now, and the trends in oil pricing, I can't see the Kuwaiti's affording both aircraft, let alone trying to man them and sustain them, which would be very costly in the long run.

All states in the region are seriously increasing their armed forces as Iran is now seen as a major threat. It is not unlikely that Kuwait is doing the same.
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:19 am

Quoting seahawk (Reply 42):
All states in the region are seriously increasing their armed forces as Iran is now seen as a major threat. It is not unlikely that Kuwait is doing the same.

However, buying two, completely different but similarly capable aircraft in small numbers isn't a good way to do it unless quick delivery is required. The only way it makes sense is if both aircraft have significant differences in terms of capabilities. The Super Hornet and the Eurofighter are very similar in terms of capabilities. Easier way would to just buy 48 of either aircraft; that way you get a larger fleet size but a single, easier and cheaper to manage supply chain.
 
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Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:08 am

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 43):
However, buying two, completely different but similarly capable aircraft in small numbers isn't a good way to do it unless quick delivery is required. The only way it makes sense is if both aircraft have significant differences in terms of capabilities. The Super Hornet and the Eurofighter are very similar in terms of capabilities. Easier way would to just buy 48 of either aircraft; that way you get a larger fleet size but a single, easier and cheaper to manage supply chain.

But is en vogue in the region. And to be honest I think those 2 are not that similar in performance. The EF is a great interceptor and the performance is useful for a small country. The SH on the other hand is proven striker and has integrated anti-ship missiles and SEAD missiles.

EF+SH is much less pointless than F-15SE and EF in one force.
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:43 pm

http://aviationweek.com/defense/boeing- ... hite-house

the White House has at last approved proposed sales of the company’s F/A-18 Super Hornet and F-15E Strike Eagle to two Persian Gulf states, a Boeing spokesman confirmed to Aviation Week.

The deals include 36 F-15s for Qatar and 28 F/A-18Es and Fs for Kuwait, and are worth up to $4 billion and $3 billion, respectively. The sales had been held up for months because of concerns about Israel’s security. The fighter jet package was able to proceed after the White House approved a 10-year, $38 billion military aid package with Israel, Boeing officials told Aviation Week earlier this month.
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:48 pm

And the Israeli deal includes more F-35s, so that keeps LockMart and their congressional allies happy, too.
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:05 pm

ssteve wrote:
http://aviationweek.com/defense/boeing-fighter-jet-sales-kuwait-qatar-approved-white-house

the White House has at last approved proposed sales of the company’s F/A-18 Super Hornet and F-15E Strike Eagle to two Persian Gulf states, a Boeing spokesman confirmed to Aviation Week.

The deals include 36 F-15s for Qatar and 28 F/A-18Es and Fs for Kuwait, and are worth up to $4 billion and $3 billion, respectively. The sales had been held up for months because of concerns about Israel’s security. The fighter jet package was able to proceed after the White House approved a 10-year, $38 billion military aid package with Israel, Boeing officials told Aviation Week earlier this month.

The big question is do the Kuwaiti's still want the SH? They have ordered the Eurofighter and ordering the SH as well would double their current fighter fleet. They were having issues paying for either so purchasing both has to be unlikely.
Stitch wrote:
And the Israeli deal includes more F-35s, so that keeps LockMart and their congressional allies happy, too.
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Since neither Kuwait or Qatar would be approved for F-35s yet anyway LM isn't really missing out even if Israel hadn't been given more F-35s.
 
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Re: Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Sun Oct 02, 2016 5:09 pm

Looks like a boost to two different fighter jet production lines.
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Re: Boeing Poised To Clinch $3 Billion-plus Kuwait F/A

Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:43 pm

Nice order for the two fighter production line. Isn't the middle east hard hit by the low oil prices? Seems like a big expansion for the two nations involved.
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