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The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:15 am

The US Army is to have 6 special mission Dash-8-300

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress.com/2015/06/25/us-army-awards-special-mission-dash-8-contract/
 
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:27 am

Where would the frames be coming from?
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:37 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 1):

Depending on the role Australian customs might have some fitted out for overwater surveillance, they are fairly high time.
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:58 pm

Makes you wonder if there will be a Q400 shrink next time they warm over the Q400.
 
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:48 pm

Good to hear! The Dash is one of my favorite planes.

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 3):
Makes you wonder if there will be a Q400 shrink next time they warm over the Q400.

I'm not really sure how a government order of a measly six planes would cause Bombardier to plan on shrinking the Q400. If anything, I think they'd want to go the other way given the trend of of small RJs heading to the desert in favor of larger ones. And wouldn't a shrunk Q400 be essentially a Q300?

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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:29 pm

At this point the USAF will offer to "assist" with the process, take the program over, and kill it.
 
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:12 pm

The army has had contractors operating special Dash-8-300s for years in the sandbox. I'd assume they will be purchasing them from whoever runs those shell corporations in Virginia that currently provide the aircraft.
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:39 pm

Quoting JohnM (Reply 5):
At this point the USAF will offer to "assist" with the process, take the program over, and kill it.

Deja vu at it's finest.
 
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:42 am

Quoting adipasquale (Reply 4):
I'm not really sure how a government order of a measly six planes would cause Bombardier to plan on shrinking the Q400. If anything, I think they'd want to go the other way given the trend of of small RJs heading to the desert in favor of larger ones. And wouldn't a shrunk Q400 be essentially a Q300?

Well, the Q300 was just the -300 with the latest engines from 1995 and a noise suppression system.

Now with the Q400 "next gen"'-ed and the market chewing up more of the -300 stock, I do wonder whether an engine improvement and a few tweaks to the Q300 could be done reasonably, moving the warming-over up about 20 years.

I didn't mean that this order alone means anything, but there's an accumulation of things, like the number of operators sticking with the type.

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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:56 pm

Quoting JohnM (Reply 5):
At this point the USAF will offer to "assist" with the process, take the program over, and kill it.

Air Combat Command wants nothing to do with Aerial ISR, they've effectively divested themselves of the MC-12Ws, handing them over to the Army and AFSOC.

With that being said, budgets will continue to get tighter in the future, there certainly is the possibility that big Air Force will suddenly be interested in AISR again.
 
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:33 pm

Who will fly these? Air Force pilots? I thought the only Army aviators were rotary wing pilots.
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:48 am

Quoting bhill (Reply 10):
Who will fly these? Air Force pilots? I thought the only Army aviators were rotary wing pilots

No, the Army has plenty of dualrated pilots. The Army has quite a few small fixed winged aircraft.
 
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:37 am

Quoting johns624 (Reply 11):






Quoting bhill (Reply 10):Who will fly these? Air Force pilots? I thought the only Army aviators were rotary wing pilots
No, the Army has plenty of dualrated pilots. The Army has quite a few small fixed winged aircraft.

Correct. And remember the Air Force was once the Army Air Corps.

And there are a few of us who think it should go back that way so our troops can get proper air support.
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:58 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
And there are a few of us who think it should go back that way so our troops can get proper air support.

The fact that all the USAF has been doing the past decade and half has been NOTHING but providing air support for US ground forces, and does so willingly eludes you...

The only other US military organization that is better at air support for ground forces is the USMC, and that's because of the USMC's ethos: Every Man's a Rifleman. The entire USMC air wing is dedicated to ground support up to and including taking actual fighter pilots, handing them a rifle, radio, and a ROVER terminal and using them in line units as FAC's. A good number of USMC pilots and officers are former enlisted and have served as a front-line Marine in their careers.

The USAF has things to worry about so the troops on the ground don't have to worry about; things like "is the enemy's air force going to attack us?", 'When's the next shipment of my ammo/food/fuel/spare parts?", and "Is the enemy building up their forces to attack us?"

The things the USAF does as part of their scope of missions means that ground troops never have to worry about a lot of things. Air support is just one mission compared to the many other critical missions that the USAF is called upon that takes precedence over a battlefield.

What you are alluding to is akin to declaring that there is a secret, unidentifiable cabal within the USAF that hates the US Army, hates air support, hates the A-10, and wants nothing to do with ground forces.

Who's part of that so called cabal you are alluding to?

Ain't the head of the USAF; he's a former A-10 pilot. Ain't the guys planning the A-10C upgrades and re-winging efforts. Ain't the many squadrons that have rotated into Afghanistan and Iraq providing practically nothing but air support for the past decade and a half. Ain't the people at the USAF's Weapons Schools conducting air support training and developing new tactics for air support. Who is this secret cabal then?

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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:03 pm

Quoting JohnM (Reply 5):
At this point the USAF will offer to "assist" with the process, take the program over, and kill it.

I think they will certainly look to see if their budget is being threatened by Army aviation.

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 13):
The fact that all the USAF has been doing the past decade and half has been NOTHING but providing air support for US ground forces, and does so willingly eludes you...

And they do so heroically. But the fighter mafia runs the air force. Has for a while. Ground support is where all the action has been so warrior gravitate but the head generals are usually fighter jocks.

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 13):
What you are alluding to is akin to declaring that there is a secret, unidentifiable cabal within the USAF that hates the US Army, hates air support, hates the A-10, and wants nothing to do with ground forces.

Who's part of that so called cabal you are alluding to?

Pointblank .... the Air Force has been trying to divest itself of the A-10 for a long time and it's got as much to do with attitude as it does with desire/need for new airplanes and looking for multirole to replace specialist airplanes.
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RE: The US Army Will Buy 6 Dash-8-300

Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:58 pm

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 13):
What you are alluding to is akin to declaring that there is a secret, unidentifiable cabal within the USAF that hates the US Army, hates air support, hates the A-10, and wants nothing to do with ground forces.

It's bigger than that. It's multi-national. The Royal Air Force, French Air Force, Luftwaffe all don't have A-10s. Therefore, they must not care about providing their ground troops proper air support.
Ditto for the South Koreans, Japanese, Polish, Italians, Australians, Indians. All those nations have troops who do not get proper air support because they do not own A-10s. Correct L-188? Am I following your logic correctly? Same with you dl021?

Don't forget Israel. Israel doesn't provide air support for its troops because it doesn't own A-10s. Or China either. All these nations don't care about ground troops because they don't have A-10s or a similar dedicated close air support aircraft.

But the US Marines are awesome at CAS because they have the Harrier, which isn't as good as the the A-10 but it's good enough and therefore proves the USMC cares about ground troops, unlike the selfish and stupid USAF, which is buying the stupid F-35.
And besides the USMC cares so much about ground troops it is replacing the Harrier with the even-better F-35, which is so good at CAS that when compared to the A-10.....oh crap, my brain just blew up with all of the convoluted logic I spew.

Well forget all that, just remember: the USAF doesn't care about ground troops. And you need the A-10 to prove you care about ground troops, unless you're the US Navy, the USMC, or any other air force in the world.
And buying the F-35 proves that you don't care about ground troops. Unless you're the USMC, or the US Navy, or any of the 20+ nations purchasing it.

And the F-35 sucks at CAS. And the USMC Harrier is awesome at CAS. And that's all you need to know. Don't think any further.

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