|Quoting Powerslide (Reply 84):|
Drones are not as capable as manned aircraft and when one is built that can pull the high G, has the stealth and can process data like an F-35 can do you honestly think it will cost less than an F-35 does today?
Additionally, none of the three US services want a stealth drone over the F-35. The F-35 remains the highest acquisition priority. I trust the military to understand the threat and request the weapons they require.
That's just silly....it's significantly easier to build a non-piloted aircraft that can outmanouver any manned aircraft. Fighters are only restricted to whatever G load a pilot can handle. Manned aircraft also have to have the structure and life support solely for the use of a pilot...structure that could go to sensors, payload, fuel, etc.
Drones can go much deeper into harm's way since you don't worry about having to rescue a pilot.
Get rid of the pilot and maneuvers are limited by mechanical constraints...not biological ones.
As for the military being able to decide what's best for them....that's a laugh too. By the time a person is far enough up the ladder to be able to make a procurement decision, he has lost any perspective he ever may have had about the troops, and his head is so far up the butt of the defense contractor he has sent his cv to, that he is more concerned with job security than combat effectiveness.
History is littered with useless, short sighted, completely bone headed wastes of time and money dreamed up by generals.
|Quoting Ozair (Reply 85):|
Any fighter jet purchase by Canada is expected to last at least 40 years from today. Can you guarantee that Canada will not need a fighter jet in the next 40 years?
Canada hasn't needed a fighter jet ever, and the next 40 years won't change that. What Canada does need is to spend those billions of dollars on maritime patrol, arctic surveillance, ice breakers, a new DEW line, SAR and maybe actually taking care of the veterans who did serve and their families.
For national defense, take a page from the Israelis; missile defense. Way better bang for the buck and they can actually be positioned at the borders of the country, instead of a couple of inland bases like we now have. Drones are much better for mindless patrol duties than human pilots. Maybe we should focus some energy and resources into advancing our domestic industries...maybe develop some CRJ or Q400 patrol aircraft.
Canada isn't a first strike nation. There hasn't been a conflict since WW2 in which Canadian air involvement made the smallest difference in the outcome. Besides...just what does anybody expect 60 shiny fighters to actually accomplish in defending Canada? The place they would really be needed to enforce sovereignty is the arctic, and there isn't a chance in hell that any of the planes would be stationed in Resolute, Inuvik or Alert...where they might actually be needed.
If people want Canada to make an actual, meaningful contribution in combat, we need to expand the special ops forces on the ground, where Canadian troops have a long and respected track record of making a real difference in real combat situations. Canada trains some the best sneaky troops on the planet and those guys have a damned sight more kills than our jet fighters ever could dream of.
What do we have...6...planes fighting ISIS? How much good has that done so far? Saudi, Israel, Kuwait, Qatar, the EU and almost everyone else on the planet has exponentially more air resources than Canada does, and are closer. Yet, they don't think the threat is serious enough to get involved in any meaningful way.
A handful of unequaled Canadian snipers would be much more effective.
Wars need patrols, surveillance, medical services, tankers....all sorts of things that actually can make a difference. There are many much better and more effective ways for Canada to contribute than a very costly and mostly useless fighter group. Most of what a war really needs is also what can be used for national sovereignty protection as well.
A few token fighter bombers in a fray is a very expensive, resource wasting joke.
The fact is that there are much better options for Canada's defense dollars than fighters. It's time to be realistic about what actually needs protecting, what needs attacking and how to best do those.
We need about twice as many helicopters, ice breakers, naval, SAR units than we now have...and we can barely support the ones we do have. People complain about the F-18's but everything else we have is even older and actually important for Canadian security and sovereignty protection. How about those Aurora's? Those are actually useful...where does the money come from to replace those?
More billions spent on fighters is nothing more than an ego stroking waste of time, effort and money. "hey look....we have pointy planes too....!", isn't a good enough reason to buy any fighters.
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