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CH-53K First Flight!

Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:25 pm

What an impressive looking helicopter!!
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From Flightglobal
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...s-off-after-troubled-start-418268/

"Sikorsky’s CH-53K King Stallion has finally reached “day one” of its 2,000h flight test programme after a maiden 30min flight this morning at the company’s development flight centre in West Palm Beach, Florida.

The flight comes about one year late, and nine years after Sikorsky received the system design and development contract from the Marine Corps to produce a replacement for the Sikorsky CH-53E Super Stallion.

The H-53K looks similar to its predecessor, but is actually a brand new fly-by-wire, glass cockpit aircraft that can lift 12.2t (27,000lbs), or triple the weight of the E-model...."
 
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:51 pm

Quoting sasd209 (Thread starter):
The H-53K looks similar to its predecessor, but is actually a brand new fly-by-wire, glass cockpit aircraft that can lift 12.2t (27,000lbs), or triple the weight of the E-model.

This trick is so goofy. Where else can we say that this has happened?

CH-53E -> CH-53K
F/A-18C/D -> F/A-18E/F
F8U2 Crusader -> F8U3 Crusader
Tu-22 'Blinder' -> Tu-22M 'Backfire'

Of course, there are examples of one aircraft being given a completely different designation for minor iterations (B-29 -> B-50, etc) but those are too numerous to list, I think.
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:15 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
This trick is so goofy. Where else can we say that this has happened?

320neo, 737 MAX, 777-9...
 
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:08 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 2):
320neo, 737 MAX, 777-9...

Not even close. The examples you cited are still largely based upon the originals. What I mentioned are completely different aircraft masquerading as the originals.
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:43 am

Hopefully something the German Air Force will acquire as well.
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Thu Oct 29, 2015 10:16 am

Amazing Aircraft.


27000 Pound payload, that means it could carry a fully loaded SF340 at max weight.


Impressive.
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:24 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):

Not even close. The examples you cited are still largely based upon the originals. What I mentioned are completely different aircraft masquerading as the originals.

There is not much in common between a 737-100 and a 737 MAX 9
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:43 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):

So the H-53K has new engines and a glass cockpit. How exactly it that a 'new aircraft masquerading a an H-53?' Just a major new variant, obviously not more extensive than all they did to the 737.

The only clean sheet design in your list is the Backfire compared to the Blinder.
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Thu Oct 29, 2015 1:58 pm

It also has a composite fuselage.
 
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:29 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 3):
Not even close. The examples you cited are still largely based upon the originals. What I mentioned are completely different aircraft masquerading as the originals.

You're right. I read your comments, not your list. I thought you were implying it was just marketing hyperbole and that the changes *weren't* substantial. Because I'm not sure I'd call it a "trick." I think it'd be more confusing to tick the version, like the B720, regardless of how radical the changes. Because it's not really clean-sheet either.

[Edited 2015-10-29 09:51:17]
 
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:09 pm

Quoting seahawk (Reply 8):
It also has a composite fuselage.

I've read this repeatly, but it looks exactly the same as the old versions. Sponsons, cockpit window frames etc...
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:00 pm

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 7):
So the H-53K has new engines and a glass cockpit. How exactly it that a 'new aircraft masquerading a an H-53?' Just a major new variant, obviously not more extensive than all they did to the 737.

The only clean sheet design in your list is the Backfire compared to the Blinder.
Quoting seahawk (Reply 8):

It also has a composite fuselage.

ptrjong, Sikorsky has said as much themselves with respect to the CH-53K.

The F/A-18E/F shares only some systems with the C/D, but the airframe and many of the other systems are new. Sure, it's not clean-sheet, but it's not the same aircraft. Just put two of them next to each other and that much is obvious.

As for the F8U2 Crusader and F8U3 Crusader, Barrett Tillman's book describes this exactly.
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:56 am

I find it interesting that the article lists the payload is tripled to 27,000 lbs. I'm not a CH-53 expert, but I'm pretty sure the legacy -53 can lift more than 9,000 lbs, even hot/ high. Hell a UH-60 can do that, not hot/high however. Seems like they are putting out the old CH-53 had such a poor payload, the new bird triples it. I remember from sling load school that the CH-53 was the top sling load lifter in the US military rotary wing fleet. Did a propaganda minister get involved with this news release?
 
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:36 am

Quoting JohnM (Reply 12):
find it interesting that the article lists the payload is tripled to 27,000 lbs. I'm not a CH-53 expert, but I'm pretty sure the legacy -53 can lift more than 9,000 lbs, even hot/ high. Hell a UH-60 can do that, not hot/high however. Seems like they are putting out the old CH-53 had such a poor payload, the new bird triples it. I remember from sling load school that the CH-53 was the top sling load lifter in the US military rotary wing fleet. Did a propaganda minister get involved with this news release?

You have a much increased MTOW, more powerful engines, a beefier transmission, a new 7 blade rotor, and an upgraded external hook. So, yes, expect payload to go up dramatically here.
 
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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:01 pm

Hi N328KF,

The CH-53K does seem to have large part of its airframe replaced by composite compenents, and it's obviously a major new variant. Still, I would call it an H-53 variant, and I wouldn't think that retaining that designation is a trick (to get funding more easily) as you are suggesting.

http://www.compositesworld.com/news/...ls-ch-53k-king-stallion-helicopter

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RE: CH-53K First Flight!

Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:53 am

I think its a bit wider as well
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