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Ozair
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Re: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

Fri May 01, 2020 8:27 am

steman wrote:
The AMK seems to be such a limited modification but with an impressive effect on Flight characteristics. I don´t understand why it hasn´t been implemented. From the articles and the pictures it just seems to consist in modified leading edge root extension and fuselage strakes. It also looks like it could be done at depot level and not in the factories. Also curious why it is not offered as standard on new built examples.

Because it introduces a new aerodynamic capability to the jet. The flow on effect is rewrite of a lot of the manuals, training syllabus, different maintenance inspections because the aircraft is now flying differently and new parts and structures will undergo different stresses, different TTPs for how to fly and fight the aircraft, retraining your whole body of aircrew to understand and accept the new variant or having a separate caste of pilots trained on an aerodynamically different jet, potentially requalifying all the weapons, pods and tanks etc.

Yes the modification is small but the impact is large.
 
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Re: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

Fri May 01, 2020 9:30 am

Ozair wrote:
steman wrote:
The AMK seems to be such a limited modification but with an impressive effect on Flight characteristics. I don´t understand why it hasn´t been implemented. From the articles and the pictures it just seems to consist in modified leading edge root extension and fuselage strakes. It also looks like it could be done at depot level and not in the factories. Also curious why it is not offered as standard on new built examples.

Because it introduces a new aerodynamic capability to the jet. The flow on effect is rewrite of a lot of the manuals, training syllabus, different maintenance inspections because the aircraft is now flying differently and new parts and structures will undergo different stresses, different TTPs for how to fly and fight the aircraft, retraining your whole body of aircrew to understand and accept the new variant or having a separate caste of pilots trained on an aerodynamically different jet, potentially requalifying all the weapons, pods and tanks etc.

Yes the modification is small but the impact is large.


Thank you Ozair. This makes sense. Nothing comes easy in this world :-)
 
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Re: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

Mon May 18, 2020 11:23 am

The Luftwaffe has applied decals to two Eurofighters. These were originally intended for this years ILA Berlin air show but that's obviously cancelled due to COVID-19.
One of them advertises the planned "project quadriga" acquisition of new Tranche 4 Eurofighters:
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And the other, "Sword of Boelcke", highlights the new Recce capability of the Eurofighter due to the integration of the LITENING III targeting pod in 2019 (as described in their promotional video https://youtu.be/6fsvxRyqAJY?t=64: "The lightning stands for the new ability to bring light into darkness").
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https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/organisati ... ila-256520

So even though no contracts have been signed for the Tranche 4 program, the Luftwaffe's marketing department has a clear vision of the future.
 
SuperiorPilotMe
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Re: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

Mon May 18, 2020 7:58 pm

It makes sense that they'd want to say the heck with it and display them instead of saving the decals/paint for next year as these are time-sensitive and amounts to barely-veiled advertisements for technical and manufacturing capability anyway. Still, it is relevant to this thread as these are relevant capabilities towards trying to convince the German government that it's not too late to order additional Typhoons for the Tornado role, even on top of Super Bugs.
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Ozair
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Re: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

Mon May 18, 2020 11:59 pm

mxaxai wrote:

And the other, "Sword of Boelcke", highlights the new Recce capability of the Eurofighter due to the integration of the LITENING III targeting pod in 2019 (as described in their promotional video https://youtu.be/6fsvxRyqAJY?t=64: "The lightning stands for the new ability to bring light into darkness").
https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/organisati ... ila-256520

Nice to see the decals and appreciate the Germans haven’t been operating Litening on Eurofigher previously but this just brings them into line with other Eurofighter operators. Can we expect that this will replace the Tornado Recce fleet as that draws down or is this simply an extension of German Eurofighter capabilities and needed to support A2G enhancement anyway?
 
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Re: Germany Considers Tornado Replacement

Tue May 19, 2020 3:07 pm

Ozair wrote:
Nice to see the decals and appreciate the Germans haven’t been operating Litening on Eurofigher previously but this just brings them into line with other Eurofighter operators. Can we expect that this will replace the Tornado Recce fleet as that draws down or is this simply an extension of German Eurofighter capabilities and needed to support A2G enhancement anyway?

Since this is a marketing effort, a lot of it is phrased in a way that avoids any definitive statements. The decals describe "the option to further develop the technological capabilities of the Eurofighter", "the ability of the Eurofighter to take over roles that used to be reserved for the Tornado, such as reconnaisance and ground strike" as well as "the new focus on innovation and digitalization".

IMHO this is an attempt of the armed forces to signal politicians and media "Look, we have all this new technology ready to go - please sign the necessary contracts to replace our oldest equipment. Stop deferring the decision."

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