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Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Thu Feb 04, 2016 3:42 pm

Just saw this:
http://www.wkbw.com/news/niagara-fal...air-base-gets-new-mission-kc-135ks
I couldn't find anymore information at the moment, so I'm not exactly sure where the KC-135s are being transferred from.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:56 pm

Didn't they have them at KIAG until very recently ( 107th air wing) ? In any case, its good to have them back and to see the airport getting busy.
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:34 pm

Quoting WingsFan (Reply 1):

Didn't they have them at KIAG until very recently

IAG had KC-135s until 2006 IIRC.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:25 am

Maybe from one of the KC-46 host bases?
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Fri Feb 05, 2016 2:10 pm

Excellent news, assuming these will replace the C-130Hs? Prior to the 2005 BRAC Niagara had two squadrons, one Reserve and one ANG, of KC-135s and C-130s.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Sun Feb 07, 2016 5:00 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 3):
Maybe from one of the KC-46 host bases?

Good guess, probably from the 157th Wing at Pease, when the -46s come online.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Sun Feb 07, 2016 8:34 pm

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 5):
Good guess, probably from the 157th Wing at Pease, when the -46s come online.

But I cant see how standing up a new KC-135 squadron makes any sense. Is not like the USAF is short tankers??

Use the KC-135s coming off the line to replace older 135s or for parts
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:09 am

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 6):

My guess is that it may be to play back up to the 157th in the event of teething problems during initial few years of operation. Just a WAG, but that is the only reason I can see doing that.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:58 pm

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 7):
My guess is that it may be to play back up to the 157th in the event of teething problems during initial few years of operation. Just a WAG, but that is the only reason I can see doing that.

To include the 133rd (Pease) there are 6 KC-135 refueling squadrons in the Northeast that could of shared the responsibility of backing up the 133rd during the transition period. This moves baffles me. Standing up a squadron is no small feat.. standing up any military unit for that matter is no small feat.
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:11 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
Excellent news, assuming these will replace the C-130Hs? Prior to the 2005 BRAC Niagara had two squadrons, one Reserve and one ANG, of KC-135s and C-130s.

I have not heard anything about the C-130s (914th Airlift Wing) being relocated.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:50 pm

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 8):
To include the 133rd (Pease) there are 6 KC-135 refueling squadrons in the Northeast that could of shared the responsibility of backing up the 133rd during the transition period. This moves baffles me. Standing up a squadron is no small feat.. standing up any military unit for that matter is no small feat.

I was going with Wing numbering. But that is why it was Wild Ass Guess. The only other reason is that someone with clout wanted a tanker squadron in New York rather than a Herk squadron.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:02 pm

Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 9):
I have not heard anything about the C-130s (914th Airlift Wing) being relocated.

Never mind, it looks like the KC-135s will replace the C-130s.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:41 pm

From the video, one of the tankers "0027" is 58-0027 from Salt Lake City IAP
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:42 am

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 10):
The only other reason is that someone with clout wanted a tanker squadron in New York rather than a Herk squadron.

There are three other squadrons with C-130s in New York State:

109th Airlift Wing Schenectady (ANG)
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106th Rescue Wing Westhampton Beach, New York (ANG)
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Wed Feb 17, 2016 6:54 pm

Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 11):

Quoting Adipasquale (Reply 9):
I have not heard anything about the C-130s (914th Airlift Wing) being relocated.

Never mind, it looks like the KC-135s will replace the C-130s.

Saw this image on an Air Force Times article this morning. Further backs up the 135s are in fact replacing the 130's, 1 for 1.
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:36 pm

Pittsburgh Air Reserve Station and Charlotte Air Guard trading in H model C-130s for C-17s. Moving assets from active duty to the reserves for a more balanced force. McChord and Charleston will be the donor bases.
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:10 pm

http://buffalonews.com/sectionfront/...agara%20Falls%20base%20next%20year
Found this regarding the KC-135s that will be arriving at IAG.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:09 pm

Quoting adipasquale (Reply 16):
http://buffalonews.com/sectionfront/...agara%20Falls%20base%20next%20year
Found this regarding the KC-135s that will be arriving at IAG.

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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:53 am

Quoting T56A15 (Reply 15):
Pittsburgh Air Reserve Station and Charlotte Air Guard trading in H model C-130s for C-17s. Moving assets from active duty to the reserves for a more balanced force. McChord and Charleston will be the donor bases.

There is no balance happening here. The majority of mobility assets already exist in the guard and reserve. If we wanted balance we would reduce the size, inefficiency and redundancy of the ANG/reserve and shift assets to active duty. This is congressmen bringing home pork, pure and simple. Does nothing to help our national defense.
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:37 am

http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDispla...eports-on-total-force-balance.aspx

They started looking at this in 2013 initiating studies within the Air Force and Congress. The latest realignment looks to take some of the recommendations into consideration. Of course, local delegations lobbied hard for the new missions. None of these moves would have happened without Defense Department blessings
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:58 pm

Probably get them from McConnell 22ARW as they are the first to get the KC-46's. Which will not be any favor to Niagara, those McConnell jets are the worst maintained in the fleet.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:37 pm

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 21):
Probably get them from McConnell 22ARW as they are the first to get the KC-46's. Which will not be any favor to Niagara, those McConnell jets are the worst maintained in the fleet.

I am confident McConnell will send them their very best fliers (sarcasm). It has been my experience that jets that go from one base to another in this sort of transition are the worst of the worst. Recently, we received two C-17s, one from Grissom and one from Charleston, and they were in a very sad state and required months of TLC to get them to an acceptable level of reliability again.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:25 pm

I remember being bored a few years back and looking at FMC rates in G081. I looked at McConnell's numbers and I think every jet on station was FMC which blew me away. Maybe I caught them on a good day....compared to the C-5 world, that was unbelievable.
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:03 am

Quoting JohnM (Reply 23):
Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 22):

I work the KC-135 postdock at Tinker and have to get them ready to fly after PDM. The target is 20 days to get a jet delivered back to home station once we get it back on the flightline. McConnell jets on average have taken more than 30. Now I have a AZ Guard jet and I should get it airborne this week after 2 weeks which is coming together smoothly. My first experience with a McConnell jet it took over 56 days just changing almost every hydraulic valve and an engine to have a crew step to it then 4 days of ground aborts the 3 days of flying before it passed. Maybe I'm too picky doing my acceptance inspections.
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:53 am

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 24):
Maybe I'm too picky doing my acceptance inspections.

As someone who used to fly them, I'd say picky is good...  
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:28 am

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 22):
I am confident McConnell will send them their very best fliers (sarcasm). It has been my experience that jets that go from one base to another in this sort of transition are the worst of the worst. Recently, we received two C-17s, one from Grissom and one from Charleston, and they were in a very sad state and required months of TLC to get them to an acceptable level of reliability again.

"Since XXX jet is leaving us, we're not doing that, that or that let new unit deal with it, it is no longer our problem"... typical military equipment unit transfer logic

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 24):
Maybe I'm too picky doing my acceptance inspections.

be as picky as you need to be
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:14 am

I have a great friend up there at Niagara, and he said the Air Force team is there this week for the assessment and conversion meetings/planning!

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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Thu May 05, 2016 9:32 pm

Quoting andydtwnwa7 (Reply 14):
andydtwnwa7

You can throw most of that chart out the window. All of the A-10 stuff and most of the F-35 stuff has changed. The chart also doesn't show anything about the KC-46 stand-up at McConnell and Pease. It also doesn't show Pease loosing any KC-135Rs right now.
The chart also shows -59 KC-10s beginning in FY-2017....that ain't gonna happen, at least not in FY-17.
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Sat May 07, 2016 2:20 am

Quoting kc135topboom (Reply 28):

You can throw most of that chart out the window. All of the A-10 stuff and most of the F-35 stuff has changed. The chart also doesn't show anything about the KC-46 stand-up at McConnell and Pease. It also doesn't show Pease loosing any KC-135Rs right now.
The chart also shows -59 KC-10s beginning in FY-2017....that ain't gonna happen, at least not in FY-17.

The two notes at the bottom of the slide clarify that:

"*KC-10 remission recap timeline pending KC-46 delivery schedule and Strategic Basing Process
**F-35 actions are FY-17 only; FY18-21 action timing TBD based on updated delivery schedule"

Considering the TBD status regarding the KC-46 delivery schedule, I'm sure that's why McConnell, Pease, and Altus were left off the chart. As to the A-10, I agree with you taking that information with a grain of salt, with all the back and forth with Congress over the budgeting of it.
 
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RE: Niagara Falls To Get 8 KC-135s

Sat May 07, 2016 4:44 am

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 22):
Recently, we received two C-17s, one from Grissom and one from Charleston

Grissom doesn't have C-17s...perhaps you meant McChord?

The truth of the matter is, the aircraft that come from Active units are beat up because they never get ground time to be actually taken care of. The only time they are on the ground long enough to get care is if it breaks really hard (which usually involves a trip to depot anyways), or a scheduled HSC...even then they don't get any love. AMC's logic is fly as long as it is able to fly.
A story came out about the C-5M ontime departure rate at Dover being 88% for their fleet of 18 jets. Well, they have only had 10 jets at a time for the last 2 years; 2-4 were in depot, 4 were loaners to Travis...so the numbers game is always tweaked to make things look better than they are. I will tell you the M model is far superior to the A and B.

Back on topic; It seems that the AF is intending to retire all of the C-130H2's by FY2020. I don't think they have enough H3s and J models to go around to keep that many units open, so it is either switch airframes (as several units are including Niagara), or face the inevitable closure in the probable 2019 BRAC round.

I do wonder what the deal is with the Elmendorf C-17s...They are already jointly operated by the Guard and Active PACAF units...are they just transferring to the guard?
I don't get why Pittsburgh is getting them either...other than politics....as MRB is a 8 minute flight away...lol. I still say Lackland should have gotten 8 and Westover should have kept their 16 C-5s...but thats just thinking...something the government doesn't do without money lining the pockets of those that make those decisions.

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