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F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:34 am

Fortunately no one was hurt. Good thing it wasn't an A-10...

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/25/eu...s-fire-on-control-tower/index.html

Article quote:

"Norwegian Royal Air Force F-16s were practicing attacks on simulated targets on Tarva island early April 13 when cannon fire from the fighter jets tore into a control tower, almost striking three people inside, Maj. Stian Roen told CNN."
 
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:42 pm

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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:41 pm

Quoting nitepilot79 (Thread starter):
Fortunately no one was hurt. Good thing it wasn't an A-10...

Norway doesn't fly A-10s for one. Secondly, a gun from a F-16 is not any less deadly.
 
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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:18 pm

Ooops.

I've heard that Milo Minderbinder, officer of the Norwegian Air Force, was generously paid by the Swedish to attack his own base. Any other explanation would imply that the Norwegian pilots are just... bad. 

But these things happen, sadly. Once, Canadian (?) soldiers were attacked during an exercise in Afghanistan.


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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:40 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 3):
Any other explanation would imply that the Norwegian pilots are just... bad.

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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:41 pm

Quoting nitepilot79 (Thread starter):
Fortunately no one was hurt. Good thing it wasn't an A-10...
Quoting Powerslide (Reply 2):
Norway doesn't fly A-10s for one. Secondly, a gun from a F-16 is not any less deadly.

I get your sarcarsm nitepilot, looks like maybe our Canadian neighbor doesn't. And Powerslide, comon'! 30mm vs 20mm at a control tower? I'm sure the controllers, if given a choice, would take the 20mm.
  
 
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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:07 pm

I would think twice if I was offered a deployment to that tower. It is the second time it has been hit by a F-16.
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Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:24 pm

Did they have legitimate targets to shoot, to justify the live rounds ?
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Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:31 am

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 2):
Norway doesn't fly A-10s for one.
 
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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:33 am

Quoting Aesma (Reply 7):
Did they have legitimate targets to shoot, to justify the live rounds ?

Aside from that, why in hell were they mixing live target practice with simulated runs against a manned simulated target? That is simply asking for this cock up to happen.

If the aircraft is carrying live ordnance of any sort, the only targets it can attack, simulated or practice, should be on a designated target range.

If the aircraft isn't carrying live ordnance of any sort, then they are allowed to carry out simulated attacks against real life structures.

Its that simple - how in hell is that not an unbreakable rule in any modern air force rulebook?
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:45 pm

A hopeful sign for the Russians.
 
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Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:28 pm

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 2):

Norway doesn't fly A-10s for one. Secondly, a gun from a F-16 is not any less deadly.


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Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:38 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 9):
If the aircraft is carrying live ordnance of any sort, the only targets it can attack, simulated or practice, should be on a designated target range.

The aircraft was flying practice strafing runs on a designated target range during the evening hours. The range has a tower where range control officers sit and observe and score the runs. The tower is usually set some distance away from the target, which in this case was an old tanker truck.

The facts are not in of course, but based on historical incidents like this, the pilot misidentified the tower as the target, rolled in on it, and squeezed off the gun (IMHO). Fortunately the controllers didn't get hit. This has happened before in the US also. In combat, it has happened frequently and is called friendly fire.

If you want to know more, do a google search "Norwegian F-16 strafes tower".
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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:29 am

The problem is -as I see it- that the tower still stands after being hit twice

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Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:47 am

Quoting RetiredWeasel (Reply 12):
The aircraft was flying practice strafing runs on a designated target range during the evening hours. The range has a tower where range control officers sit and observe and score the runs. The tower is usually set some distance away from the target, which in this case was an old tanker truck.

That makes more sense, but the news piece makes it sound like they were deliberately conducting simulated runs against the tower - the way you explain it puts it in a different light, one of more of a case of mistaken target rather than deliberate attack (simulated or otherwise).

Sounds like the tower isn't as obvious a "no-go" from the air as it needs to be...
 
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Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:50 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 14):
Sounds like the tower isn't as obvious a "no-go" from the air as it needs to be...

Read this (forgive the google translation):

http://translate.google.no/translate...ag%2Farticle1228901.ece&edit-text=

and look at this:
http://www.google.no/maps/@63.7927986,9.3798335,415m/data=!3m1!1e3

I would guess that visibility was a major factor. I read one report it was at 1830 and another that said it was after dark.
Strafing is fun, and they may have pressed the visibility limits for safe identification. No idea why the range control officer didn't transmit 'abort' when, and if, he saw the nose of th F-16 come around on him. Again, this a the most likely scenario.

If they were hotdoging and were making simulated strafing passes on the tower to thrill the troops and forget to safety the gun, then somebody will hang.
 
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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Mon May 02, 2016 9:08 am

kinda like the RAF F-4 pilot who accidentally shot down a jaguar with a sidewinder shot. Luckily he alerted the Jag pilot who was able to eject.
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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue May 03, 2016 5:33 am

The exact same thing happened to the same tower once before. I feel sorry for the pilot who misidentified the target.
 
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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue May 03, 2016 9:28 am

What happens to a Pilot in such a case, btw? Is this "immediateley grounded forever", is it "don't do it again", or what?
 
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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue May 03, 2016 12:02 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 18):
What happens to a Pilot in such a case, btw? Is this "immediateley grounded forever", is it "don't do it again", or what?

It's Norway they will probably give him a medal.
 
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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue May 03, 2016 1:07 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 18):
What happens to a Pilot in such a case, btw? Is this "immediateley grounded forever", is it "don't do it again", or what?

All depends on what the investigation finds. If he violated a major safety rule, he may be grounded, or he may have to go through some re-training or a check flight before returning to the cockpit. If it was simply an accident, he may have to go through some training before returning to the cockpit - if there was something that was completely out of his control, he may face no repercussions.
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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue May 03, 2016 8:08 pm

Wow, good thing it was not an A-10.......the whole tower may have come down and all killed!
 
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RE: F-16 Strafes Control Tower--Whoops. Big Whoops.

Tue May 03, 2016 9:44 pm

Quoting bhill (Reply 22):

I only watch "Hot Shots". More laughs. And Folland Gnats!


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