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Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:19 pm

http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/b...force-academy-graduation/85307094/

From the article:

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One of the Air Force’s elite Thunderbird pilots crashed Thursday following a fly-over for the Air Force Academy’s graduation ceremony.

The pilot of the no. 6 jet, one of the solo pilot aircraft, ejected safely and seems to be unhurt, Air Combat Command confirmed on Twitter.

looks like the aircraft is still intact on the ground.
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:34 pm

Reports of a Blue Angel crash in Tennessee too.

What are the odds?
 
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:00 pm

Quite odd to see a fighter jet laying on the ground.
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:27 pm

Reminds me of an F106 (or F-102) bailout years back. I think it was in trim and landed in a snowy field out west somewhere. I believe the jet was fixed, and put back in service. Single engine aircraft are fun until your only engine calls it quits, if that was what happened to the T bird jet.
 
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:58 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):
Quite odd to see a fighter jet laying on the ground.

Especially without a pilot in control. Guessing engine failure, but he had enough control to put her in a "gentle" glide and then punched out with the plane continuing on the glide to impact. The ground looks flat so the plane probably "soft-landed" and then slid to a stop.
 
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:24 pm

Some post-crash video "hot off the press", up here in Denver:

http://www.9news.com/news/thunderbir...llowing-usafa-graduation/228529832
 
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:46 pm

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):
Quite odd to see a fighter jet laying on the ground.

Indeed.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Especially without a pilot in control. Guessing engine failure, but he had enough control to put her in a "gentle" glide and then punched out with the plane continuing on the glide to impact. The ground looks flat so the plane probably "soft-landed" and then slid to a stop.

From the linked video it slid quite a distance.
I can not tell if the charring on the fuselage is from the ejection seat or was the result of what caused the crash.
I would guess there was no engine turning since there was no post crash fire.
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[Edited 2016-06-02 15:48:00]
 
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:48 pm

Quoting JohnM (Reply 3):
Single engine aircraft are fun until your only engine calls it quits, if that was what happened to the T bird jet.

Local news here in COS reports an eyewitness (yeah, I know) saying the engine made popping sounds before the plane pancaked. Sounds like a compressor stall.
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Thu Jun 02, 2016 11:07 pm

Quoting JohnM (Reply 3):
Reminds me of an F106 (or F-102) bailout years back. I think it was in trim and landed in a snowy field out west somewhere. I believe the jet was fixed, and put back in service. Single engine aircraft are fun until your only engine calls it quits, if that was what happened to the T bird jet.

Ahh the cornfield bomber. Yep. It was an F-106 The pilot ended up flying it again after repairs too... Not only is he in the rare position of having one more takeoff than landing, he's the only person to eject from an aircraft and then fly the same plane again.


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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:21 am

CNN is reporting the pilot ejected safely following directing the jet away from a population center.

Further reports indicate that the President stopped by to check in on him following the USAFA graduation ceremony.
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:21 am

Quoting nitepilot79 (Reply 5):
Some post-crash video "hot off the press", up here in Denver:

http://www.9news.com/news/thunderbir...llowing-usafa-graduation/228529832

First reponders in full protective gear. Can never be to careful when hydrozine is involved.
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Fri Jun 03, 2016 7:12 am

The fuselage is broken just behind the cockpit.

How repairable will this be?.
 
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:51 pm

The pictures of the pilot meeting with POTUS after his bailout are pretty cool.
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:58 pm

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 10):

First reponders in full protective gear. Can never be to careful when hydrozine is involved.

I'm assuming you mean Hydrazine? Why would there be Hydrazine at an F-16 crash site?
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:19 pm

Quoting apfpilot (Reply 13):
I'm assuming you mean Hydrazine? Why would there be Hydrazine at an F-16 crash site?

That's because the F-16 has a hydrazine tank.... http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1056

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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:16 pm

Quoting boeingfixer (Reply 14):

That's because the F-16 has a hydrazine tank.... http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1056

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Wow, learn something new every day! I never would have guessed they'd use something as toxic as hydrazine in something as widely deployed as an F-16. Thanks for sharing!
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:46 pm

Hmmm..... Since this is anet, and people speculate... What scenarios would cause this? The first one that comes to my mind is a lack of go-juice. I would hope the service would have a fairly strict requirement for landing with at least some reserves. I hope the desire to put on the show didn't lead to an error in judgement. That being said, indicator errors can cause the same effect. See >> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuninter_Flight_1153

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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:58 pm

Quoting Slcpilot (Reply 16):
What scenarios would cause this?

Low level? Good chance of a birdstrike.
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:17 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 11):

The fuselage is broken just behind the cockpit.

How repairable will this be?.

Not. This will be a spare parts source if lucky. Basically assume everything in the fuselage is bent a good half inch or so, engine is toast, wings damaged, avionics damaged or destroyed, landing gear sheared off... They may be able to reuse the vertical fin though.
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:35 pm

Quoting zachary165 (Thread starter):
looks like the aircraft is still intact on the ground.

F16s are good at landing on grass with the gear up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8XakLMAm_U
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Sat Jun 04, 2016 2:36 am

Quoting apfpilot (Reply 15):
Wow, learn something new every day! I never would have guessed they'd use something as toxic as hydrazine in something as widely deployed as an F-16. Thanks for sharing!

Hydrazine powered EPU's are EXTREMELY reliable and can provide a lot of power very quickly. There's just a lot of safety precautions involved with hydrazine due to the known toxic effects of it.

Newer aircraft omit the hydrazine powered EPU; both the F-22 and F-35 use auxiliary power units that use jet fuel as a backup power source, and to provide engine start capabilities as well as providing cooling air and cooling fluid.
 
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:33 am

F-16 Slip 'n' Slide on the Simla .

Looks like it wasn't Simla grass, though.
 
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RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:35 pm

From a friend of mine who flies for the Collins Foundation there is this that he shared on FB:


Interesting read, source unknown ...

Rumors abound at BKF. TBirds took off to the south at C.Springs for the show. The Academy is not even 10 miles away so Bingo fuel was low.

The O-bla-bla talked longer than scheduled – some say 45 minutes. Some BKF guys were listening on the radio and heard No. 6 call Joker fuel.

Leader said to quit using burner and continue with the show for another 10-15 minutes. I am sure they were unaware of runway change to landing north and planned a quick turn to base for landing south.

Six went down 20 minutes after the Joker call. After the ejection, the plane landed flat 4 miles south of the runway and there was no fire. Hmmmmm ...

There has never been an excuse for running out of gas - even for Golden Arm TBirds. Looks like maybe 2 new drone pilots after the accident board gets done with them.

No. 6 had a really bad day.

Another unsubstantiated interesting read ...

Info from the Leekster sez ...

Subj: Thunderbird crash

He ran out of gas. They were holding waiting for POTUS.
The whole team was bingo. Boss and pilot fired. Done for the season.

Interesting and quite possible, investigation will reveal probable cause for occurrence of the accident and full disclosure of facts?

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Lead would have been fired if he cut the show and might have gotten away with the the alternative...screwed either way... But the safety of his team should have come before satisfying the crowd. If you've ever flown in an Airshow you understand the thought process.. " look good or die" is always said in jest, but unfortunately there is truth behind it.

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You're right WF... screwed either way. Only one question and it goes back to the sage old advice we've all been given... "...runway left behind you and fuel left on the ground...". Why did they take off with less than dull tanks? Not second guessing the Boss... simply wondering out loud.

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Burner and boards will piss away extra gas.

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Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:20 am

HaveBlue wrote:
The O-bla-bla talked longer than scheduled – some say 45 minutes. Some BKF guys were listening on the radio and heard No. 6 call Joker fuel.



35 per the transcript.
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Wed Jun 22, 2016 4:04 am

hivue wrote:
Quoting zachary165 (Thread starter):looks like the aircraft is still intact on the ground.
F16s are good at landing on grass with the gear up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8XakLMAm_U


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Re: RE: Thunderbird Crashes At Usaf Academy Graduation

Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:41 pm

NamGunner wrote:
in and around Luke AFB, the F-16 is known as the lawn dart.

I haven't heard it called that in years - 30 years ago, it was a common name for the F-16 all around the Air Force.
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