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Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:50 pm

SpaceShipTwo is Virgin Galactic’s suborbital spaceplane which completed its second victorious trial flight on Thursday, as stated in a report by Jeff Foust from SpaceNews’.

VSS Unity, the suborbital vehicle, departed from Californian Mojave Air and Space Port around 16:20 Eastern attached itself to the carrier WhiteKnightTwo aircraft, Foust said. WhiteKnightTwo released the SpaceShipTwo after about 40 minutes, sliding back to a Mojave runway landing.

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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:32 pm

I believe Space News has it wrong.. the sub orbital vehicle can not take off by itself and then connect to the White Knight.. the two are mated on the ground and the White Knight takes it to an elevation where it is launched..
 
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Mon Dec 26, 2016 9:44 pm

kanban wrote:
I believe Space News has it wrong.. the sub orbital vehicle can not take off by itself and then connect to the White Knight..


That's not what they said. If you change "attached itself" to "itself attached" or just "attached", then you'll see what they were trying to say.
 
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Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:40 am

It's pathetic writing and editing... when you read departed, attached itself, etc the sequence described construes a mid air attachment.. trying to reword it in one's head to match verbiage to fact is just bad writing.
 
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Tue Dec 27, 2016 7:44 am

Another way to explain: add a comma.
AirstairFear wrote:
VSS Unity, the suborbital vehicle, departed from Californian Mojave Air and Space Port around 16:20 Eastern, attached itself to the carrier WhiteKnightTwo aircraft, Foust said.


kanban wrote:
It's pathetic writing and editing... when you read departed, attached itself, etc the sequence described construes a mid air attachment.. trying to reword it in one's head to match verbiage to fact is just bad writing.

No it is not. I am not a native English speaker, and I understood the phrasing perfectly. Yes, the phrasing is unusual, but you should be happy that at least some author's English is not catering to the lowest common denominator.
 
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Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:55 am

"Yes, the phrasing is unusual, but you should be happy that at least some author's English is not catering to the lowest common denominator."

News offerings or scientific scripts are not intended to be entrants to innovative language use.
The intention is to be precise in description.
( not achieved here :-)
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Tue Dec 27, 2016 5:27 pm

OK enough beating that dead horse. Kudos for the flight though.
 
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Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:52 pm

AirstairFear wrote:
kanban wrote:
I believe Space News has it wrong.. the sub orbital vehicle can not take off by itself and then connect to the White Knight..


That's not what they said. If you change "attached itself" to "itself attached" or just "attached", then you'll see what they were trying to say.

Or just omit the word "itself". Will be clearer then.
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:22 am

Just to clarify, this was a glide test only. Unity was dropped from White Knight 2 and glided to a landing. It was not a suborbital flight (well, technically, I guess it was in the sense that it was well under any orbiting altitude and speed :innocent: ).

This was the second glide test for Unity, almost a month after the 1st one. Apparently they had to wait a little while before the second one to iron out a few issues that came up during the first.

In any case, it's good to hear from Virgin Galactic and to know they're making progress. Understandably, they are a lot more cautious and a lot less bombastic about their headway these days... "Space is hard".
I wish them well.


http://www.space.com/35137-virgin-galactic-ends-2016-with-second-spaceshiptwo-glide-flight.html
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Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:29 am

Thanks for the accurate information, Francoflier! Indeed, lets wish the good luck and good progress!
 
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Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:49 pm

There's finally some exciting news from Virgin Galactic, with the first supersonic flight of their rocket-powered Unity spaceship:

https://twitter.com/virgingalactic?ref_ ... r%5Eauthor
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Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:31 pm

How far behind are they now? 5 years?
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 3:18 am

zanl188 wrote:
How far behind are they now? 5 years?

Their original goal was to be in space by the end of 2009.
 
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Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:14 am

At the time of winning the X prise this dual aircaft technology did appear the right way to go.For both tourism 'hops' and indeed launching small satellites.A decade on and sadly this is not the case (imho).Small sat's are now being launched by very cost effective small rockets -and bolted on to larger ones.
Regarding tourism -I am not so sure.Of course you have Jeff Bezos who appears to be ready whenever he cares to start.Bit I noted yesterday an article (BBC website) of a space hotel that is being actively planned.
I know that Spacex are not interested in space tourism but with BFR they could (if they wished) lob 50-100 pax up in one go.Do a few circuits of the Earth and come back -probably for half the price.And sell a few hats as well !!
I do wish them the best though.
 
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Wed May 30, 2018 5:19 am

Things finally seem to be picking up pace over at Virgin Galactic.

VSS Unity just carried out its second supersonic flight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsPHywoQZWA
http://www.virgingalactic.com/articles/ ... ic-Flight/

They said it reached Mach 1.9 which, in itself, is not particularly impressive I suppose but then again it was going straight upwards...
Altitude reached was 114,500 ft, which is still some ways away from the Karman line (though I'm not sure what their ultimate goal is).

If the video is to be believed, it seems the trajectory was ballistic and that they were inverted near apogee, in free fall.

Looks like a fun ride!
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Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:52 pm

https://www.virgingalactic.com/articles ... at-Mach-2/

Mach 2.4, apogee 170,800 feet.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/27/63294519 ... est-flight

Sir Richard quoted "Before the end of the year I hope to be sitting in a Virgin Galactic spaceship, going to space"...
 
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:59 am

Seabear wrote:
Sir Richard quoted "Before the end of the year I hope to be sitting in a Virgin Galactic spaceship, going to space"...


Over-optimism is a rampant disease among Space-industry entrepreneurs, and SRB will not be flying to space this year after all. Can't say I'm surprised.

That being said, Virgin Galactic is pressing ahead and is due for another launch today. This one should make it to about 50 miles up.

https://spacenews.com/virgin-galactic-r ... wo-flight/

I don't know what to think about Virgin Galactic anymore. They've been pushing their idea for space democratization for almost 15 years now, and so far have little to show for it. Among the delays, drama and lack of tangible results at a time where New Origin has a fancier, more performant and flight-proven rocket/capsule almost ready to launch their first paying passengers, it's hard to know whether those wealthy enough for a space joyride would still put their faith and money in that venture.

I still want them to succeed and find their clientele. I do hope they manage to make touristic suborbital flights as common as scenic chopper rides over the Grand Canyon.
At least it seems they might be entering the final stretch. But that has been said before... Space is hard.

Good luck to them!
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:41 pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/13/virgin- ... space.html

Successful flight reaching 53 miles. Technically "space" by NASA standards.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:16 pm

Technically in space is the best kind of in Space.

Their tweet about completing the first manned space flight since the Space Shuttle is a bit like me claiming to have dunked a basketball because I can graze the bottom of the net if I try hard.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:07 pm

DarkKnight5 wrote:
Technically in space is the best kind of in Space.

Their tweet about completing the first manned space flight since the Space Shuttle is a bit like me claiming to have dunked a basketball because I can graze the bottom of the net if I try hard.


Yeah.. It's not like they launched a car into space or anything.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:33 am

DarkKnight5 wrote:
Technically in space is the best kind of in Space.


Lol.

I like how instead of aiming for the Karman line they simply, and quite literally, lower the bar:

"That altitude goal is approximately 80 kilometers, or 50 miles. “I think what we’ll see is something not far over 50 [miles],” said George Whitesides, chief executive of Virgin Galactic, if the flight goes as expected. The company has identified 50 miles as the altitude for reaching space, as NASA and the U.S. Air Force award astronaut wings to those who exceed that altitude.

That is below the 100-kilometer Karman Line that had been widely used as the definition of space, particularly during the Ansari X Prize competition for commercial suborbital vehicles won by SpaceShipOne in 2004. Whitesides, asked about the Karman Line, pointed to recent papers that suggested that 80 kilometers was a better altitude for demarcating space and an initiative by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI), the world air sports federation that maintains records for both aviation and spaceflight, to revisit the definition of the line.
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Yeeeah... :scratchchin:
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:49 am

trpmb6 wrote:
DarkKnight5 wrote:
Technically in space is the best kind of in Space.

Their tweet about completing the first manned space flight since the Space Shuttle is a bit like me claiming to have dunked a basketball because I can graze the bottom of the net if I try hard.


Yeah.. It's not like they launched a car into space or anything.


Correct. Also, they didn’t get said car into a heliocentric orbit with an apohelion beyond Mars’ orbit.
 
 
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:48 pm

Francoflier wrote:
DarkKnight5 wrote:
Technically in space is the best kind of in Space.


Lol.

I like how instead of aiming for the Karman line they simply, and quite literally, lower the bar:

"That altitude goal is approximately 80 kilometers, or 50 miles. “I think what we’ll see is something not far over 50 [miles],” said George Whitesides, chief executive of Virgin Galactic, if the flight goes as expected. The company has identified 50 miles as the altitude for reaching space, as NASA and the U.S. Air Force award astronaut wings to those who exceed that altitude.

That is below the 100-kilometer Karman Line that had been widely used as the definition of space, particularly during the Ansari X Prize competition for commercial suborbital vehicles won by SpaceShipOne in 2004. Whitesides, asked about the Karman Line, pointed to recent papers that suggested that 80 kilometers was a better altitude for demarcating space and an initiative by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI), the world air sports federation that maintains records for both aviation and spaceflight, to revisit the definition of the line.
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Yeeeah... :scratchchin:


I like to think of it as being similar to the Voyagers. How many times now have we been told that Voyager 1 has enter interstellar space? At least a couple times now I believe.
 
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Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:59 pm

If Branson can get enough people to stump up $$$$ then good luck to him -and Jeff Bezos when he kicks off.But as the attached article above says so well.Its not that much of an achievement.They clearly can't make the Karman line indeed not even close,but luckily they can reach the point where customers can receive their space 'wings' Forget the few mins of weightlessness- that's got nothing to do with space just a parabolic curve which you could do in an aircraft.
I certainly won't be sainting my money.
 
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:13 am

Why is Branson going with joyrides-for-the-rich business model instead of taking customers from point A to B? Certainly the later would be more lucrative.
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Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:41 am

TWA772LR wrote:
Why is Branson going with joyrides-for-the-rich business model instead of taking customers from point A to B? Certainly the later would be more lucrative.


His platform doesn't have legs.
range wouldn't be much bigger than 3..4 times height reached.
you could probably go faster by car on the ground :-)
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:42 am

I just watched the video - they said 66,000ft it reached? I swear the concorde flew at 60,000ft. Am I missing something here?
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:05 am

No you must have misread.Went approx 50 miles up.Below the Karman line but high enough ( just) to be called space.I did note the carrier aircaft went to 50k feet when it usually goes to 45k feet.It suggests to me that it's been a bit of a struggle to get to official 'space'.
Still the punters probably won't mind as long as they get their 'Astronaut badge'.
Whether it will make much difference it's hard to tell but clearly New Shepherd can go above the Karman line 100,000 Kms.
What I don't understand from a consumer perspective is Blue Origins idea of putting no staff on board for the rocket flight.I think people may get scared and panic.Furthermore can you envisage all these punters un buckled then floating about for a few mins.Then somehow ( they've never done anything like this before) getting back to their correct seat and re buckling themselves in ( all of them) in the space of a few mins really for re-entry.Just not possible imho - actually dangerous thinking about it.Gotta have one cabin crew.
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:15 am

parapente wrote:
Furthermore can you envisage all these punters un buckled then floating about for a few mins.Then somehow ( they've never done anything like this before) getting back to their correct seat and re buckling themselves in ( all of them) in the space of a few mins really for re-entry.Just not possible imho - actually dangerous thinking about it.Gotta have one cabin crew.

You know about those sprung roller dog leashes ? :-)
Then:
As they need an incognito plain clothes Air Marshall anyway ...
fixing any ruckus is solved already.
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:29 pm

Tee hee!
But seriously I really believe it would be a catastrophe without someone in charge.Really dangerous.I think fear would arrive very quickly.
And no they wouldn't be allowed to 'float around' at all imho.
Anyway we will see next year.Clearly Virgin are ready and Jeff is not far behind.I really don't see it as a money spinner myself.
As an ex pilot I have every reason to want to go,but 10 min joy ride at v high altitude for quarter of a million bucks just doesn't sound good value to me.
Now double/quadruple the price and give me a couple of orbits and you're on! Whilst I couldn't easily afford it ,frankly at $1 million a couple of orbits would be v good value.6 pep's and a crew member.So 6 million gross income.Guess it's not enough sadly.I wonder what a profitable dragon orbital flight for 6 would be? Any guesses?
 
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Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:51 pm

Sorry was being lazy.Will answer my own question.Spacex charge approx $60 million a launch-with profits.So that's €10 m a person.But of course you have to land as well.Lets add 50% and call it $15 m per person.That would do it.
Soooo $15m per person for ( let's say ) 6- 10 orbits. You know frankly there are plenty of people for whom that's money they could burn for the absolute ultimate experience -orbiting our planet in real space.
Don't think Musk is the slightest bit interested but if he wanted to add to his F9 launch manifesto,I believe he could very easily indeed.
By next year Dragon will be human rated -it's all totally possible if he wanted some extra money and absolute massive publicity!
 
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Re: Second Suborbital Test Flight Completed by Virgin Galactic

Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:27 pm

parapente wrote:
No you must have misread.Went approx 50 miles up.Below the Karman line but high enough ( just) to be called space.I did note the carrier aircaft went to 50k feet when it usually goes to 45k feet.It suggests to me that it's been a bit of a struggle to get to official 'space'.
Still the punters probably won't mind as long as they get their 'Astronaut badge'.
Whether it will make much difference it's hard to tell but clearly New Shepherd can go above the Karman line 100,000 Kms.
What I don't understand from a consumer perspective is Blue Origins idea of putting no staff on board for the rocket flight.I think people may get scared and panic.Furthermore can you envisage all these punters un buckled then floating about for a few mins.Then somehow ( they've never done anything like this before) getting back to their correct seat and re buckling themselves in ( all of them) in the space of a few mins really for re-entry.Just not possible imho - actually dangerous thinking about it.Gotta have one cabin crew.


Do you think the customer base for these flights will be from the LCC's of the world?

There will be a little more than the FA with the we are here for your safety brief before the flight. I hope you are just joking with this post.
 
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Sat Feb 23, 2019 6:08 am

Another successful flight for SpaceShip Two.
This time, they went up to 89 Km and Mach 3. Interestingly, they had a 'passenger' of sorts; a Virgin Galactic employee.
Along with some Nasa experiments, they were apparently close to commercial weight.

Still well short of the 100 Km Karman line, however, which Bezos criticized them for recently... The race is heating up now, as both companies seem close to flying their first commercial passengers.

https://spacenews.com/spaceshiptwo-flie ... ace-again/
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:39 am

I know it's just suborbital but it is so cool do see what they can do. A reusable mini shuttle for the average (rich) person to book tickets on. A private Mach 3 spaceplane. I hope we get some good HD footage.

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