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Newark727
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Question about the C-141

Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:33 am

Was there ever any effort to export the C-141 Starlifter, either new or after the end of USAF service? I know they tried to sell a civilian model, the L-300, but it never went anywhere. And if so, how serious was it?
 
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Re: Question about the C-141

Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:22 am

I do not believe any attempts at export sales were made.
 
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Re: Question about the C-141

Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:21 am

Canada's RCAF wanted a C-141 tanker. Order was placed, later cancelled and used B707s purchased instead.
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Re: Question about the C-141

Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:11 pm

Hey guys,
I'm very sure that I read once that Iran was after Starlifters, obviously pre-revolution.
I seem to recall as well reading about a proposal for the then West Germans to get some.
I also seem to recall reading somewhere that the RAAF were offered or looked at Starlifters at some point.
I haven't heard of Canada being interested and this is the first I've heard of a dedicated tanker version. Thank you zanl188 for sharing that information.
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Re: Question about the C-141

Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:01 pm

Newark727 wrote:
Was there ever any effort to export the C-141 Starlifter, either new or after the end of USAF service? I know they tried to sell a civilian model, the L-300, but it never went anywhere. And if so, how serious was it?

My understanding was the fleet was essentially houred out. There wasn't enough hours left to make another operator taking the fleet worthwhile.
 
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Re: Question about the C-141

Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:01 pm

Ozair wrote:
Newark727 wrote:
Was there ever any effort to export the C-141 Starlifter, either new or after the end of USAF service? I know they tried to sell a civilian model, the L-300, but it never went anywhere. And if so, how serious was it?

My understanding was the fleet was essentially houred out. There wasn't enough hours left to make another operator taking the fleet worthwhile.


The existing fleet had some major fatigue issues. IIRC, ,the front windscreen posts on the left and right side were a major problem area. There were quite a few aircraft that had major airspeed/load restrictions imposed. Also, the 1st Gulf War put a lot os stress on the airframes which suffered from cracks. As the 141s were withdrawn, they weren't really useful for anything other than beer cans!!!
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Re: Question about the C-141

Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:49 pm

There was a proposal from Shorts aircraft in the UK to combine the wings and empennage of the C-141 with the fuselage of the Shorts Belfast for the RAF.
 
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Re: Question about the C-141

Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:06 am

VSMUT wrote:
There was a proposal from Shorts aircraft in the UK to combine the wings and empennage of the C-141 with the fuselage of the Shorts Belfast for the RAF.


What advantage would that have?
 
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Re: Question about the C-141

Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:07 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
There was a proposal from Shorts aircraft in the UK to combine the wings and empennage of the C-141 with the fuselage of the Shorts Belfast for the RAF.


What advantage would that have?


Much bigger fuselage:

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Re: Question about the C-141

Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:12 am

Well the USAF was already planning to have the C-5. The C-141 gave the USAF a jet transport with the same cross section as the C-130 in large numbers. While the wings and engines for the C-141 had more lift than needed for the original model, that issue was resolved by a mid life extension program that included a stretch resulting in the C-141B.
 
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Re: Question about the C-141

Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:55 pm

I'm off topic a bit. The 141 was a damn good airplane. I started on the C-5, but worked lots of 141s that were transient visitors. It was interesting to see what Lockheed changed when they designed the C-5. The C-141 was of course much simpler, but some systems were a pain in the ass on the 141, but not as intermittent and overly complex as the C-5. I miss the unique sounds of #3 hydraulic electric pumps starting and the cool little hatch near the FEs seat that was in the electrical bay's overhead. Also not needing to run the APU for many ops checks...

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