It's going to take three years to train pilots, each with many years of experience flying (multi engine) jet fighters in the exact same location, in the exact same mission? And they're going to be trained on an aircraft that is more automated than the one(s) that they are already experienced with? Let's add to that the fact that the most demanding part of the F-35 systems is probably the ground attack aspect, which the National Guard, flying their CONUS Air Defense mission have no need for.
Whoever is selling you that premise is trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
And the maintenance people are not the reason for anything beyond six months of delay.
You know a whole air force base doesn't have to be shut down just because an F-35 has landed there for the first time. Life can go on while training takes place.
Spar, I have posted this previously but again because you seem to doubt it over and over again.
Ozair, you can post it 10 more times and it still will stick out as a falsehood.
Sorry Spar, until you come up with some actual factual evidence then what you are suggesting is merely an opinion based on incorrect data.
The circumstance involved in converting NG units which have the defense of CONUS as their mission are not the same as for an imaginary squadron in some bureaucrat's project planner.
Spar, the below is a graphic and link to an article outlining the current process to get a new trainee through flight training and up to standard. At the moment you can see that a new pilot takes approximately 11 months to go from conversion onto the jet to be able to be deployed to a conflict but that is only as a wingman. A squadron needs not just wingman but people who can lead two ships and four ships. The graphic shows it takes that pilot another 24 months to get to that 4 ship lead point.
At the very least, even if you halved every single part of that training timeframe, you are still looking at 18 months for an experienced pilot to become proficient enough to get to the qualification required to lead a four ship of a new aircraft into combat.
https://warontherocks.com/2019/01/rebui ... -aviators/
When today’s student aviator completes IFF, they can expect to relocate their families again for between six and eight months of training — finally in their fighter — at a “Formal Training Unit” (FTU). FTUs put brand new flying training graduates through a “basic” course, some six to eight months in length, producing qualified but inexperienced fighter aviators. FTUs also run shorter “transition” courses, where experienced fighter aviators learn a new aircraft or return to a fighter after some time outside of a flying assignment. The FTU enterprise represents a massive service investment that assigns around a quarter of all Air Force fighters to non-combat training squadrons.
After the aircrew completes FTU, they pack and move again to their new combat squadron as an inexperienced wingman. They are not yet qualified to go to war. To become “Mission Ready” for combat, they require an additional one to three months of local training. Most combat squadrons receive batches of new FTU graduates every three to four months, which requires a constant squadron training focus on the basic mission qualification syllabus.
After an additional year of seasoning, these wingmen will undergo a training “upgrade” from wingman to “flight lead” to command a formation of two aircraft, with a second upgrade months later preparing them to lead a four aircraft formation. This steady churn of basic qualification and upgrade training dominates the peacetime schedule of a fighter squadron.
Of course throughout the above process we also have the lives of the individual members that need to be accounted for. They are of course entitled to leave (active duty USAF get 30 days of leave, 6 weeks, every year), to have public holidays, to have Christmas/Easter/Thanksgiving etc with their families. They have other additional basic training they need to fulfil like mandatory courses in first aid, occupational health and safety, suicide awareness, ethics etc. The USAF is struggling to retain fighter pilots and continues to undertrain on the number they have, so units are stretched especially with deployments and exercises.
You then need to add the issue that presents to a squadron today trying to train up to an advanced standard,
https://warontherocks.com/2019/01/rebui ... -aviators/
Further increasing the training burden are the “direct support” sorties that require squadrons training for aerial combat to provide their own adversary aircraft. While some F-22 squadrons use T-38s as dedicated adversaries, and the Air Force is investing over 100 million dollars annually to rent adversary jets from private contractors, most squadrons must allocate a number of their own fighter sorties to role-play an adversary force for squadron mates to spar with. Every direct support sortie flown is one less sortie available for advanced training.
With such a high demand for sorties to qualify and upgrade new wingman, it’s hard for squadrons to find the time required to focus on the advanced tactics that will give them the edge in a fight against the emerging threats presented by China or Russia. A typical fighter squadron spends about 25 percent of its allocated sorties on upgrade training and an additional 40 percent flown in “direct support,” either acting as adversaries or as the additional formation members required to support training of new or upgrading pilots. That means that most of a fighter squadron’s time is spent repetitively training in basic tactics, limiting the time available to dedicate to advanced tactics.
The NG units have a very specialized and very limited role,
That is not correct. While the ANG F-15C squadrons may only conduct A2A missions they require significant training to reach and maintain an advanced standard. They are deployed to assist USAF active duty units in real world operations, for example,
https://www.stripes.com/news/air-guard- ... e-1.401961
Air National Guard F-15Cs and airmen are headed to Europe to augment U.S. forces on the Continent, part of ongoing efforts to boost peace and stability in the region while deterring Russian aggression in eastern Europe.
Those ANG pilots need to be trained to the highest standard should they have to encounter and fight against top end active Russian Air Force units. Only training them to a CONUS air defence standard to intercept bombers is simply not enough and does not meet USAF requirements.
there is no reason why a NG squadron couldn't fly two different types to fulfill its mission;
Can you please name a single USAF active or ANG fighter squadron that flies two different types of aircraft today? In fact what you will actually find is that squadrons don’t even fly the same type of aircraft with a different engine, for example GE and PW powered F-16s are never in the same squadron, they are always separated into separate squadrons and usually separate bases. If the USAF doesn’t fly the same F-16 but with different engines in the same squadron, why would they fly two different aircraft in one squadron…
heck, most of the NG territory could be serviced just fine with F-5s, and all AF pilots are experienced with F-5s.
Sorry Spar, the intent of ANG squadrons, as evidenced above, is not just the defence of CONUS but also the ability to deploy with and augment active duty USAF squadrons. For example multiple ANG squadrons deployed to both Gulf wars, flew over Bosnia etc. For example the 159th fighter wing which becomes the 122nd Expeditionary Squadron when activated,
In the late 1990s, the 122d Expeditionary Fighter Squadron was activated on several occasions, sending packages of personnel and aircraft Incirlik Air Base, Turkey, to fly Combat Air Patrol missions over Iraq as part of Operation Northern Watch. Also the 122d EFS was activated with a deployment to Prince Sultan Air Base, Saudi Arabia, flying CAP missions over Southern Iraq as part of Operation Southern Watch. On 25 June 1999, members of the 159th Fighter Wing, New Orleans ANG, while on deployment to NAS Keflavik, Iceland, flying F-15A aircraft, intercepted two Russian TU-95 "Bear-H" aircraft.
In response to the 9/11 attacks in 2001, the 122d Fighter Squadron engaged in Combat Air Patrols over major United States Cities as part of Operation Noble Eagle (ONE). ONE patrols continued into 2002 before being scaled down.
In 2006, the F-15A models were retired and the 122d was upgraded to the more capable F-15C Eagle. As part of the Global War on Terrorism, the 122d EFS has been deployed to support Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF); Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) in Afghanistan, Operation New Horizons in Central and South America and Operation New Dawn in Afghanistan.
The most recent deployment of the 122d Expeditionary Fighter Squadron was completed in October 2012 when the squadron deployed to at Al Dhafra Air Base, United Arab Emirates, and as part of the 380th Expeditionary Operations Group, the 122d EFS flew missions in support of the Joint Air Defense of the Persian Gulf and Operation Enduring Freedom. The mission included providing air superiority in support of national military objectives and flying Fighter Integration Sorties with F-22 Raptors and F-15E Strike Eagles.
You're just throwing up pompous officialdom as a substitute for actual logic. Three years is ridiculous.
Nope, more clear evidence about the timeframes required by the USAF to convert a squadron and the above info covers active duty squadrons, not ANG units who will take longer because of their lesser availability.
Ozair, I repeat, the "fatigue" issue of the F-15 C lacks empirical evidence to show that it even exists. It has a strong appearance of being a political ploy, or something that is being blown out of proportion in order to control a conversation.
Nope, the evidence is very clear. Because you don’t believe it doesn’t make it any less so.
Ozair, Here lies the difference between our positions. You, as a career government employee, are unswervingly obedient and loth to challenge anything said by those 'above" you. I, as (mostly) a lifelong civilian believe that no one is above review, especially someone who is spending my money.
Apparently I am a career government employee… I hope that means I qualify for a pension?
Again Spar, you have not provided any evidence to support your positions. Your opinion is an opinion that is not aligned with reality based on the multiple facts I have presented .
Ozair, you need to face the fact that left unchecked, the Air Force is a self serving organization.
The USAF’s mission is to generate air power in support of US Government policy. What else do you think the USAF should be doing?