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Blackbird SR-71

Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:18 pm

Does anyone know what year the Lockheed Martin Blackbird SR-71 was retired?
 
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Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:26 pm

 
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:32 pm

Wow, I am really dumb, but thanks anyway for showing me the obvious way because I am completely braindead
 
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:40 pm

Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird you mean ;)

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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Fri Aug 24, 2018 1:11 am

Dutchy wrote:
Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird you mean ;)

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https://bit.ly/2MxZdYn
 
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:59 am

The last flight was 1996.
 
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:16 am

Nomadd wrote:
The last flight was 1996.


I saw one flying from Edwards in September 1997

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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:17 am

Per Wikipedia:

Final retirement:
The reactivation met much resistance: the Air Force had not budgeted for the aircraft, and UAV developers worried that their programs would suffer if money was shifted to support the SR-71s. Also, with the allocation requiring yearly reaffirmation by Congress, long-term planning for the SR-71 was difficult.[86] In 1996, the Air Force claimed that specific funding had not been authorized, and moved to ground the program. Congress reauthorized the funds, but, in October 1997, President Bill Clinton attempted to use the line-item veto to cancel the $39 million allocated for the SR-71. In June 1998, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the line-item veto was unconstitutional. All this left the SR-71's status uncertain until September 1998, when the Air Force called for the funds to be redistributed; the Air Force permanently retired it in 1998.

NASA operated the two last airworthy Blackbirds until 1999.[101] All other Blackbirds have been moved to museums except for the two SR-71s and a few D-21 drones retained by the NASA Dryden Flight Research Center (later renamed the Armstrong Flight Research Center).[100]


USAF retirement: 1998
NASA retierment: 1999

9 October 1999: The last flight of the SR-71 (AF Ser. No. 61-7980/NASA 844)
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:57 pm

When did the CIA officially retire the A-12? What did they replace it with? :? ;)
 
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:45 am

DigitalSea wrote:
When did the CIA officially retire the A-12? What did they replace it with? :? ;)


The CIA was flying A-12's in VietNam. The USAF was flying SR-71's and the Pentagon saw that there was mission overlap, and expensive overlap at that. They actually did a 'fly off' against each other (performance and data collecting wise along the Mississippi River) and the Blackbird won. A-12's left Nam and were retired forever in the summer of 1968 and SR-71's quickly replaced them.

The A-12 (and its variants the YF-12 and M-21) were shorter and lighter than the SR-71 so flew a bit faster and higher. Also its camera was better, but the SR-71 could use more types of data collection including Infrared, side looking radar, ELINT and oblique cameras which were important because the mission the A-12 had, to directly overfly the USSR with a look down camera, was no longer in vogue and the stand off cameras that the SR had were now a much better option.

"One way to help decide whether to keep one or both
aircraft was to determine which performed better.
CIA contended that the A-12 did because it flew
higher and faster and had superior cameras. The Air
Force countered that the SR-71 was preferable for
intelligence purposes because it had three different
cameras—for area search, spotting, and mapping—
and carried sensors the A-12 did not at the time—
infrared detectors, side-looking airborne radar, and
ELINT-collection devices needed for its mission of
post-nuclear-strike reconnaissance.
To resolve the question, the aircraft competed
one-on-one in a flyoff codenamed NICE GIRL.
Between 20 October and 3 November 1967, A-12s
and SR-71s flew three identical routes along the
Mississippi River about one hour apart with their
collection systems on. Representatives from CIA,
the National Photographic Interpretation Center,
the Defense Intelligence Agency, and other military
intelligence organizations evaluated the data
collected. The results were inconclusive. The A-12’s
camera worked better—it had a wider swath and
higher resolution—but the SR-71 collected types
of intelligence the CIA aircraft could not, although
not yet of very good quality.6 However, some of its
sensors would have to be removed to make room for
ECM gear—a salient point now that North Vietnam
had shot at two BLACK SHIELD aircraft." - https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for- ... 2Feb12.pdf
 
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Tue Aug 28, 2018 4:47 am

DigitalSea wrote:
When did the CIA officially retire the A-12? What did they replace it with? :? ;)

The USAF SR-71s directly replaced the CIA A-12s. The video below explains why, as well as giving a timeline:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeBu6mRDaro&t=963s

Skip to 15:00.
 
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:38 am

SuperUltra19 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird you mean ;)

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I don't think he was correcting him on his phrasing of Blackbird SR-71, moreso using Lockheed Martin. Martin had nothing to do with the SR, as they only merged in 1995 ;)
 
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:49 am

Wasn’t the A12 originally conceived
as a high speed interceptor?


I thought they had done some missile firing tests on it
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:51 pm

Max Q wrote:
Wasn’t the A12 originally conceived
as a high speed interceptor?


I thought they had done some missile firing tests on it


The A-12 was a recon plane only, designed to directly replace the U-2 which had become vulnerable to SAM's. It was also designed with direct overflights of USSR and China in mind. Next they tried the interceptor version of it, the YF-12, which was a successful design but was canceled by McNamara anyways. Next was the M-21 version of the A-12 which carried the D-21 drone on its back. All of these are A-12 variants. Lastly came the larger, longer and heavier SR-71 Blackbird which was designed not for direct over flights only but with its oblique cameras could also do stand off recon, which was necessary after we stopped doing overflights of Russia for political reasons.
 
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:09 pm

HaveBlue wrote:
The A-12 was a recon plane only, designed to directly replace the U-2 which had become vulnerable to SAM's. It was also designed with direct overflights of USSR and China in mind. Next they tried the interceptor version of it, the YF-12, which was a successful design but was canceled by McNamara anyways. Next was the M-21 version of the A-12 which carried the D-21 drone on its back. All of these are A-12 variants. Lastly came the larger, longer and heavier SR-71 Blackbird which was designed not for direct over flights only but with its oblique cameras could also do stand off recon, which was necessary after we stopped doing overflights of Russia for political reasons.


What aircraft replaced the A-12 for the CIA?
 
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:21 pm

DigitalSea wrote:
HaveBlue wrote:
The A-12 was a recon plane only, designed to directly replace the U-2 which had become vulnerable to SAM's. It was also designed with direct overflights of USSR and China in mind. Next they tried the interceptor version of it, the YF-12, which was a successful design but was canceled by McNamara anyways. Next was the M-21 version of the A-12 which carried the D-21 drone on its back. All of these are A-12 variants. Lastly came the larger, longer and heavier SR-71 Blackbird which was designed not for direct over flights only but with its oblique cameras could also do stand off recon, which was necessary after we stopped doing overflights of Russia for political reasons.


What aircraft replaced the A-12 for the CIA?


Nothing? Satalites and USAF capabilities?

http://www.spyflight.co.uk/CIA.htm

Seems like the CIA doesn't operate this kind of aircraft anymore, or at least as far as we know.
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Re: Blackbird SR-71

Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:06 am

From what I understand LBJ was very uncomfortable manning the A12 with CIA pilots.


When the SR71 entered service they used Air Force Pilots in uniform
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