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Re: "Boeing MH-139" to replace UH-1N ...

Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:37 am

MHG wrote:
rlwynn wrote:
It is not a joke. Boeing put the deal together with an already American made helicopter and they are branding it a Boeing. It just the same as with a myriad of other military products

Just to remind you Leonardo is an Italian company and in this particular case they´re manufactured in Philadelphia.
I understand it´s the same approach as Airbus having a production line in the US now ...

But it´s still more a European "brain child" adapted to US needs.
I´m fine with that and I know it happens in many other fields too but I´m still scratching my head why societies in general fool themself by somehow pretending it´s "home made" ...

could it be that it was built for US use by Boeing Vertol?
 
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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:49 pm

Built is in the eye of the beholder. Final assembly of a US customized version can still be considered "built in USA". Better still if all, most components, came from US suppliers but with such a small production run thats not likely.
Anyone know how much of the UH72 is actually manufactured in the US?
 
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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:34 pm

trex8 wrote:
Anyone know how much of the UH72 is actually manufactured in the US?

Had to be at least 50% content to meet the US DoD acquisition rules but it wouldn't be hard to source enough US content to meet the requirements.
 
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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:20 am

OT&E has started for the MH-139 and will continue until the type is scheduled to officially enters service in December.

USAF begins Grey Wolf operational testing

The US Air Force (USAF) has begun operational testing of the Boeing MH-139A Grey Wolf helicopter, ahead of the type’s arrival into service later in December.

The service announced on 19 February that the Air Force Materiel Command’s 413th Flight Test Squadron (FTS) flew the helicopter’s first combined Boeing-USAF test flight eight days earlier on 11 February.

“With a Boeing pilot in command, this test flight allowed the [USAF] its first in-flight look at the capabilities of the aircraft. The flight also made Major Zach Roycroft, 413th Flight Test Squadron lead test pilot for the programme, the first Air Force pilot to fly Grey Wolf,” the service said.

As noted by the USAF, this first flight with Boeing was a critical step for the MH-139A programme, and allowed it to establish a foundation for government testing. The MH-139A programme should complete initial military ground testing later this month.

Though the location of the flight was not disclosed, previously the USAF had said that the 413th FTS – the USAF’s only dedicated helicopter test unit – would work with Detachment 7 at Duke Field in Florida. These units will later relocate to Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana, to perform additional testing and evaluation of the aircraft.

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https://www.janes.com/article/94453/usa ... al-testing
 
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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:13 am

An Air Force Magazine article on the same. https://www.airforcemag.com/article/the ... f-arrives/

The Grey Wolf is armored and has countermeasures on board, along with a pintle-mounted machine gun capability. Its modern avionics enable flying in poor weather, and an improved four-axis autopilot and improved automation that “helps a pilot in a high-workload situation,” Clark said. “It’s almost like having a third pilot with you.”

The MH-139 is also outfitted with a forward-looking infrared camera system, which will be used both to help crews find survivors for possible rescue missions and help target “bad guys,” Clark said.
 
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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:42 pm

Boeing have temporarily shut down production of RW aircraft at their manufacturing site in Philadelphia including the MH-139A.

Boeing shuts down rotorcraft sites in Philadelphia

Boeing has temporarily closed its helicopter and tiltrotor manufacturing sites in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, as part of wider company and national efforts to help contain the coronavirus pandemic.

The shutdown of the Ridley Township facility affects the CH/MH-47 Chinook, V-22 Osprey, and MH-139A Grey Wolf production lines, and will last for two weeks from 3 April through to 20 April. Defence and commercial services work and engineering design activities are also performed at the site, and are similarly affected.

"During the suspension, Boeing will continue to monitor government guidance and actions on Covid-19 and associated impacts on company operations. The company will conduct additional deep cleaning activities at buildings across the site and establish rigorous criteria for return to work," Boeing said in a statement.

In terms of the Chinook, Boeing has outstanding requests/orders for Greece, the Netherlands, Saudi Arabia, Spain, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, and the United States. The production line at Philadelphia is provisioned to turn out 60 helicopters annually (with 36 per year being the lowest rate presently economically viable).

For the V-22, Boeing builds the main fuselage at its Philadelphia plant, and has outstanding orders for the US Navy and Japan to complete. Also, the company recently opened up a new production line that will take the already in-service tiltrotors and upgrade them under the US Department of Defense's Common Configuration Readiness And Modernization (CCRAM) programme. Over the next five years 129 V-22s will fly to the facility for capability enhancements to be fitted and obsolescence removed.

The MH-139A is a military variant of the AgustaWestland A139, which for the American market Leonardo largely builds at its facility also located in Philadelphia before the military systems are fitted by Boeing.

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https://www.janes.com/article/95313/cov ... iladelphia

Out of interest, does anyone know how the MH-139A is transported to Boeing Helicopter Centre 3 for military fit out. Is it flown the ~30 miles from Leonardo to Boeing or moved on a truck?
 
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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:54 am

That only leaves two plants left. South Carolina and Arizona. It will only be a matter of time before those states will be hit as well.

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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:52 pm

Oh I forgot the St. Louis site.
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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:25 pm

Looks like the USAF was aware of the weight issue before contract award and were confident that Boeing could keep it under control. The GAO is concerned though so the margin must be very slim...

US Air Force’s new Grey Wolf helicopter needs to watch its weight

The U.S. Air Force’s new MH-139 Grey Wolf helicopter, which will replace the UH-1N Huey that guards nuclear missile fields, is at risk for bursting over its weight limit, a congressional watchdog said earlier this month.

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“The helicopter, as it is currently designed, may not be able to meet all performance requirements if the final weight of the aircraft exceeds design parameters,” the GAO said in a June report on major defense acquisition programs. “If an appropriate weight is not achieved, the aircraft may not be able to meet requirements for speed or range. Air Force officials stated that they expect to determine the final weight of the aircraft in December 2019.”

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https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/06 ... ts-weight/
 
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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:45 pm

Well, umm, December was 6 months ago. I’d expect the USAF/Boeing have a pretty good handle on what the final weight/performance are.
 
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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:20 pm

texl1649 wrote:
Well, umm, December was 6 months ago. I’d expect the USAF/Boeing have a pretty good handle on what the final weight/performance are.

Agree, the GAO info is usually out of date by three to six months but clearly the margin is slim. It will probably come down to any GFM the USAF want to add to the airframe but it would also be good to have some margin for weight growth as the airframe matures.
 
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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:34 am

Read the GAO reports, one notices that it is a lot of boilerplate. The Navy FFG program just got awarded and the GAO report sounds gloomy. Next, read the DDG1000 one, it sounds like a great program, while reality is that the DDG-1000 is a failed program, each DDG1000 costs like $8B, about the cost of the whole FFG program.
 
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Re: Boeing MH-139 News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:25 pm

If this was a commercial program, this is the time when they throw a whole bunch of money at it to get the weight down. But since this is a fixed price contract, expect only small tweaks as they try to stay this side if green.

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