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Re: Admiral Kuznetsov Suffers An Accident in Drydock

Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:55 pm

Yes alternatives that were already scheduled fully, probably many years out. This capacity loss is a big setback.
 
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Re: Admiral Kuznetsov Suffers An Accident in Drydock

Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:46 pm

As pointed out the PD50 often allowed 2/3 ships to be worked on at a time, that will mean they literally need 2/3 more dry docks just to keep up the same rate of work.
If they do need to do more dry dock work on the Kuznetsov that's going further affect their ability to maintain their fleet as that means another dock gets taken out of commission. (Either difficult work altering the remaining large fixed dry dock in the north and then using it), or towing it 16,000 miles and using the dry dock in Vladivostok.


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Re: Admiral Kuznetsov Suffers An Accident in Drydock

Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:02 am

Phosphorus wrote:
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The dock itself, apparently, was not in a poor shape, at least as far as maintenance is concerned. The generators were not fueled -- that's consumables/supply failure, rather than maintenance deficiency.

From what's published, the PD-50 is a singularly irreplaceable equipment, only as far as Kuznetsov maintenance is concerned. Rest of Northern Fleet assets can be maintained elsewhere in the area; with a possible exception of Kirov-class battlecruisers. PD-50 was very convenient -- it could fit several vessels at once. But for all, except Kuznetsov, there are alternatives.


I read that it was an electrical malfunction that lead to the ballast tanks being overfilled. Which would be a maintenance issue. Now if those generators were meant as back up and not fueled that would be a competence issue.
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Re: Admiral Kuznetsov Suffers An Accident in Drydock

Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:57 am

LMP737 wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
LMP737 wrote:

The dock itself, apparently, was not in a poor shape, at least as far as maintenance is concerned. The generators were not fueled -- that's consumables/supply failure, rather than maintenance deficiency.

From what's published, the PD-50 is a singularly irreplaceable equipment, only as far as Kuznetsov maintenance is concerned. Rest of Northern Fleet assets can be maintained elsewhere in the area; with a possible exception of Kirov-class battlecruisers. PD-50 was very convenient -- it could fit several vessels at once. But for all, except Kuznetsov, there are alternatives.


I read that it was an electrical malfunction that lead to the ballast tanks being overfilled. Which would be a maintenance issue. Now if those generators were meant as back up and not fueled that would be a competence issue.


From what we know -- it was an electrical malfunction.

The dock was designed to be powered by diesel generators aboard. Then, someone decided to switch primary power to shore-based, because it's cheaper; generators were supposed to be relegated to back-up duty. And then, someone decided not to fuel generators, because it's cheaper.

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Re: Admiral Kuznetsov Suffers An Accident in Drydock

Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:21 am

I'm guessing that the generator fuel may have been sold on the Black Market by someone that was responsible for refueling. Communism................ It just works.

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