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Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:25 am

So, German Chancellor Angela Merkel was on her way to the G20 summit earlier today but due to a technical issue her A340-300 had to divert to CGN, which is also the HQ of the governmental fleet. Apparently, she's spending the night in my hometown now and will continue her journey to Buenos Aires tomorrow via MAD. I would assume that she got booked on either Iberia, Air Europa or Aerolineas Argentinas which seems a bit odd and worth to keep an eye on.

https://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkel-to- ... a-46514663
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:32 am

Saw this on RT. Weird... don’t they have a spare plane to send? Instead of flying commercial? Or fly with another leader on the way there.

Commercial would be stupid hard to secure and will inconvenience a lot more people. Or charter a plane.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:37 am

Looks like she's taking IB6849 according to Spiegel Online:

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschla ... 41166.html

Merkel soll nun am frühen Freitagmorgen mit einem anderen Flugzeug der Luftwaffe von Köln nach Madrid gebracht werden. Von dort fliegt sie dann gegen 9 Uhr mit einem Linienflug von Iberia nach Buenos Aires - kommt aber erst gegen 17.55 Uhr Ortszeit dort an.


It basically translates that she will travel to MAD on another Luftwaffe airplane, and then take a commercial flight on Iberia leaving at 9am.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:42 am

How do we know she's flying commercial? Could it be that she's taking another government plane that can't make it straight across (A319 or Global express)?

Edit: Nevermind, just saw the post above.
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:51 am

Just read the Spiegel update about the Iberia flight as well. Guess that's going to be quite a surprise for the crew and the other passengers in J.
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:59 am

Just thinking about it, and it seems the 2nd A340 is in TXL and for some reason can't be mobilised in time, couldn't they have also used one of the A319CJs? Needs 2 stops on the way (TFS and FOR would work, for example), cannot be much worse than going commercial via MAD:

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But logistically probably too difficult (crewing), and would probably need to leave the press pack behind also.

Or maybe she had a meeting with President T scheduled first thing that she's going to avoid this way...? ;)
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:13 am

Doesn't Airbus have planes just sitting around? lol, could simply fly her... but I guess it is nearly morning in Europe now anyway so 9AM is not that much... but figured other planes would be available for situations like this.

And since she is flying commercial, doesn't the security hvae a crap ton more work to do right now? extra screening of pax, etc.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:16 am

Reading the DW article about the various problems that have plagued the two Airbus A340 aircraft, it's time for the German government to buy Boeing! A pair of 747-8I's would sure look good! :duck:
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:33 am

The Italian President flew to Buenos Aires on the Italian Air Force A319 and it landed at AEP instead of EZE.
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:37 am

If she is flying commercial, I’m surprised they would make the plan public.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:47 am

How big is the problem so Lufthansa Technik and Luftwaffe cannot fix it? LHT @CGN seems to be fully capable. Don't tell me Nayak has the mx contract.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:56 am

Quite unusual for German technology (some may argue it's French...or is it actually 'Murican?) to go tech. :crackup: Inasmuch as no one else seems interested in the A338 test airframe, they might as well acquire it after certification to fly the flag and show support for local industry. :cheerful: It wouldn't sit well with the Unions and voters for the Chancellor to be seen flying its main competitor. Or would it :?: :duck:

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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:06 am

Another win for Scarebus.

The disturbing part for me is that this plane has had several issues recently. What the hell is the German government doing letting their leader fly on a troubled plane?
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:45 am

ordell wrote:
Another win for Scarebus.

The disturbing part for me is that this plane has had several issues recently. What the hell is the German government doing letting their leader fly on a troubled plane?


You should see the German air force combat aircraft operational rates. Seemingly, only 4 of the 128 Eurofighters are operational
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:35 am

According to the Spiegel the plane had a complete loss of its aviation related communications systems. They needed to make contact with ATC via a satellite phone.
Both A340s of the Flugbereitschaft (the VIP squadron) worked fine in the ten years they flew for Lufthansa till 2011. So who knows what they messed up when they converted them to VIP / head of state transport.
Some say to be accepted by the Acquisition Office of Bundeswehr any product or solution has to be the most expensive and least fit for the purpose. If it still happens to work somehow they will break it because they wasted all money on buying and now don't have the money for required maintenance anymore.

Regarding Merkel flying commercial: She is a really down to earth person and won't need much security theatre. For instance she still lives in the same flat in an appartment building in Berlin as she did before she started her political career. Am Kupfergraben 6, Berlin, if you want to look it up on Google. I guess it is more a problem for her entourage.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:06 am

So you could see Mutti in the Sala Velázquez tonight?
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:00 am

The second A340 was at TXL butt hey simply had no Crew for that flight. . The Ministr of Defense should put 2 x A350 on the wish list. We have to increase our defense spening anyhow to please The Donald.
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:36 am

Was no (spare) DLH long range aircraft ( A333, 343, 346, 359, B744, 748) available at short notice ?
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:19 am

https://www.aero.de/news-30441/Merkel-muss-Flug-mit-Regierungs-Airbus-zu-G20-abbrechen.html

Merkel missed F2F meetings with the US and Chinese Presidents planned for today because of this and will arrive slightly exhausted.

No credible backup plan for these type of flights, e.g. the other A340 or their ACJ ? Just www.booking.com?

I think after several of these high profile technical delays, different people will have a look.
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:23 am

747classic wrote:
Was no (spare) DLH long range aircraft ( A333, 343, 346, 359, B744, 748) available at short notice ?

I was thinking the same.
Arriving in an A346 will be „echte Klasse“ for Frau Merkel!
I was hoping for SAA's 346 with South African's President, but he arrived in an A333 instead... :?
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:43 am

MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
Reading the DW article about the various problems that have plagued the two Airbus A340 aircraft, it's time for the German government to buy Boeing! A pair of 747-8I's would sure look good! :duck:

That is as likely as the US to buy A380s for AF1.
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:22 pm

SEPilot wrote:
MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
Reading the DW article about the various problems that have plagued the two Airbus A340 aircraft, it's time for the German government to buy Boeing! A pair of 747-8I's would sure look good! :duck:

That is as likely as the US to buy A380s for AF1.


perhaps old Lufthansa craft when they are going to dismiss them in 2 years? :duck:
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:45 pm

Most likely a follow problem to the incident in Bali, when rats got into the plane and damaged some cables.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:49 pm

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Or maybe she had a meeting with President T scheduled first thing that she's going to avoid this way...? ;)


Sabotage?
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:35 pm

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Another win for Scarebus.

The disturbing part for me is that this plane has had several issues recently. What the hell is the German government doing letting their leader fly on a troubled plane?

Seriously?

Dispatch rates for that aircraft in commercial service are fine. Not every country has a dedicated force of people pouring over their presidential aircraft changing and polishing every rivet if it doesn't look right.

As other have said - this falls in line perfectly with their absolutely horrid availability rates for ALL of their govt / military fleets. All of which seem to be strangely fine when operated by others.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:58 pm

According to "Spiegel Online" a TRU failure caused the loss of all communication equipment.
Is this even possible? I mean is there no back up for a TRU failure?
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:43 pm

Shes now flying Ibera:

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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:50 pm

There she is haha. Must be exciting for the pax to sit next to her.

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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 2:52 pm

I wonder whether IBERIA could fulfil the high security requirements so fast....did they reject the whole first and Business class passenger in favor for Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Scholz, the finance Minister and their staff, or are they both sitting in the middle of all other "normal" passengers? And I wonder more that IBERIA seemed to have enough free capacity in this flight and that they "only" operate an A 330 on this route...
Meanwhile Mrs. Merkel Airbus 340 "16+40" is repaired and flying "empty" afterwards... ;-) unfortunately it is not listed at FR, maybe because of it's special task?
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:15 pm

AirbusOnly wrote:
I wonder whether IBERIA could fulfil the high security requirements so fast....did they reject the whole first and Business class passenger in favor for Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Scholz, the finance Minister and their staff, or are they both sitting in the middle of all other "normal" passengers?


Where is the problem?

Four years ago, two of my collegues were on a KLM flight AMS - BKK in J and two rows in front of them sat Queen Máxima of the Netherlands with a handful of bodyguards. Flying commercial in J. Not every head of state needs a battalion heavily armed and armoured guards around them all the time when travelling.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:28 pm

AirbusOnly wrote:
I wonder whether IBERIA could fulfil the high security requirements so fast....did they reject the whole first and Business class passenger in favor for Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Scholz, the finance Minister and their staff, or are they both sitting in the middle of all other "normal" passengers? And I wonder more that IBERIA seemed to have enough free capacity in this flight and that they "only" operate an A 330 on this route...
Meanwhile Mrs. Merkel Airbus 340 "16+40" is repaired and flying "empty" afterwards... ;-) unfortunately it is not listed at FR, maybe because of it's special task?


Iberia is the first option in terms of capacity and frequency between EZE and MAD. They do not just operate the A332 on the route. Today they have 2 A346 flights and another with the A332 between Madrid and Buenos Aires. The A332 flight being a daytime flight and the one Ms. Merkel and her entourage are on. And she is flying with other paying "normal" passengers in the same cabin. No one was left behind.

Here's Mutti earning some Avios points on her way to Argentina on board A332 EC-MLB "Iberoamérica".

https://twitter.com/AGUSAGUERO20/status ... 0119849984
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:33 pm

Heinkel wrote:
AirbusOnly wrote:
I wonder whether IBERIA could fulfil the high security requirements so fast....did they reject the whole first and Business class passenger in favor for Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Scholz, the finance Minister and their staff, or are they both sitting in the middle of all other "normal" passengers?


Where is the problem?

Four years ago, two of my collegues were on a KLM flight AMS - BKK in J and two rows in front of them sat Queen Máxima of the Netherlands with a handful of bodyguards. Flying commercial in J. Not every head of state needs a battalion heavily armed and armoured guards around them all the time when travelling.


In fact. Queen Maxima of the Netherlands is a frequent traveler on KLM's AMS-EZE flights, as she goes a good # of times a year to her hometown, Buenos Aires. She is in Argentina currently, not officially as the Queen but as the UN Secretary-General's Special Advocate for Inclusive Finance for Development (UNSGSA).
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Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:55 pm

The Luftwaffe currently has 4 A330MRTT on order as part of the NATO Multinational multi role tanker force.
Would make sense for them to take on 1/2 A330s themselves and have them set up in the same way the RAF do (not the lease!! But with a VIP set up).
Edit: realised they have four options, these could be done in this set up


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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:42 pm

HeyTK wrote:
There she is haha. Must be exciting for the pax to sit next to her.

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Give Merkel some credit, she got that pax to take his eyes off the lovely lady on the IFE screen to take that pic.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:45 pm

This incident would rank up there with BF1 being stranded at JNB..... :embarrassed2: But to be fair...that was a charter...and a beautiful aircraft at that..... :airplane: .....

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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 8:59 pm

Dutchy wrote:
SEPilot wrote:
MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
Reading the DW article about the various problems that have plagued the two Airbus A340 aircraft, it's time for the German government to buy Boeing! A pair of 747-8I's would sure look good! :duck:

That is as likely as the US to buy A380s for AF1.


perhaps old Lufthansa craft when they are going to dismiss them in 2 years? :duck:


That's not too far fetched of an idea.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:00 pm

SEPilot wrote:
MSPSXMFLIER wrote:
Reading the DW article about the various problems that have plagued the two Airbus A340 aircraft, it's time for the German government to buy Boeing! A pair of 747-8I's would sure look good! :duck:

That is as likely as the US to buy A380s for AF1.



Tongue-in-cheek sarcasm!
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:16 am

German AF investments have been wholly inadequate, it would appear, across the spectrum of missions. I’d pity Merkel were she not largely responsible for the decisions.
 
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Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:13 am

texl1649 wrote:
German AF investments have been wholly inadequate, it would appear, across the spectrum of missions. I’d pity Merkel were she not largely responsible for the decisions.


Your post is a great example of unsubstantiated bashing. What investments would you have liked to see when and into which type of capability?
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Sat Dec 01, 2018 2:20 am

The 7 aircrafts of the German government white fleet had 16 non-take offs out of 5200 flights over the past 2 years. (source: today's government press conference). While the Luftwaffe should always work towards lowering that number further, it's not as scandalous as some people on this thread want it to be.

To me it seems like it was right to buy the A340-300 from Lufthansa and modify them - from both a reliability and a taxpayer perspective.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Sat Dec 01, 2018 3:35 pm

estorilm wrote:
ordell wrote:
Another win for Scarebus.

The disturbing part for me is that this plane has had several issues recently. What the hell is the German government doing letting their leader fly on a troubled plane?

Seriously?

Dispatch rates for that aircraft in commercial service are fine. Not every country has a dedicated force of people pouring over their presidential aircraft changing and polishing every rivet if it doesn't look right.

As other have said - this falls in line perfectly with their absolutely horrid availability rates for ALL of their govt / military fleets. All of which seem to be strangely fine when operated by others.


The DW article said the plane had a history of problems.

And I know of no such horrid availability rates for Air Force One, a 30 year old plane. Do you?
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:19 pm

She could have called President Trump and asked to borrow one of the C-17s or KC-135s that are in Germany, LOL. The KC-135 could easily make the trip unrefueled, the C-17 would need to air refuel or land for fuel enroute.
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Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:02 pm

A340-343X 16+023 arrived last night @ EZE as GAF918. This is the plane that will take Merkel back to Berlin.

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Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:03 pm

ordell wrote:
The DW article said the plane had a history of problems.

And I know of no such horrid availability rates for Air Force One, a 30 year old plane. Do you?


Compare the budgets. :wink2:
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Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:05 pm

kc135topboom wrote:
She could have called President Trump and asked to borrow one of the C-17s or KC-135s that are in Germany, LOL. The KC-135 could easily make the trip unrefueled, the C-17 would need to air refuel or land for fuel enroute.
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well, we did have a case of a Boeing aircraft losing all communications 1 hour into a flight a couple of years ago, didn't we?
Fortunately, in this case a very experienced crew brought the case to a good end.

btw, what is Trump doing with his Trump Force 1? He might have a buyer at the table now ? :)
 
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Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:40 pm

AirbusOnly wrote:
I wonder whether IBERIA could fulfil the high security requirements so fast....did they reject the whole first and Business class passenger in favor for Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Scholz, the finance Minister and their staff, or are they both sitting in the middle of all other "normal" passengers? And I wonder more that IBERIA seemed to have enough free capacity in this flight and that they "only" operate an A 330 on this route...
Meanwhile Mrs. Merkel Airbus 340 "16+40" is repaired and flying "empty" afterwards... ;-) unfortunately it is not listed at FR, maybe because of it's special task?


I guess this is no big deal, sitting in the same cabin as the other PAX. Why should she have a own cabin. I can just imagine, that IB reseated some PAX, so that Merkel and her body guards sit in one block.

Something similar happened to me once on a flight from Frankfurt to Vienna, when I was seated on 1A. The stewardess asked me if I would be so polite changing my seat, as they have to accommodate a VIP. After 5 minutes the President of Austria came into the plane, with a delegation returning from Central America.
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Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:13 am

In 1997 I was on almost empty American Eagle ATR42 on a cold and wet November evening waiting to depart DCA for JFK for an onward connection to EZE. We were probably around 10 passengers on board, all sitting in the back. Suddenly an entourage boarded - maybe 7-10 people. It was the late Israeli President Shimon Peres. Him and his security detail all sat in the front.
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:42 am

With the G20 and the drama of planes that go technical behind her, Mutti is enjoying a steak dinner at Buenos Aires premier steakhouse. and one of South America's best restaurants, Don Julio, in Bs.As. Palermo Soho district. Wondering what levers did she pull to get in - impossible to find a table with a well in advance reservation!

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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:15 am

And after dinner, Angela Merkel left EZE for TXL on 16+023, GAF#918. Back home she goes.

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