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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:51 am

Looks like she was lucky, as slightly later IB flight blew a tyre on landing, the extra event would have been all she needed!
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:23 pm

lancelot07 wrote:
btw, what is Trump doing with his Trump Force 1? He might have a buyer at the table now ? :)


Those negotiations seem to have failed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLfukuEutIU 8-)
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:51 am

FW200 wrote:
lancelot07 wrote:
btw, what is Trump doing with his Trump Force 1? He might have a buyer at the table now ? :)


Those negotiations seem to have failed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLfukuEutIU 8-)


"Small kid in pram" comes to mind.
I do wonder who coached Trump into presenting such fake and unsophisticated body language.
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:30 am

Given the fact that Merkel and her administration had taken an outspoken Anti-Trump position during the 2016 campaign and even after Trump had been elected President of the USA, I can understand quite well that Trump was quite unhappy in this situation (it was the first time he met Merkel) and did refuse handshake.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:38 pm

FW200 wrote:
Given the fact that Merkel and her administration had taken an outspoken Anti-Trump position during the 2016 campaign and even after Trump had been elected President of the USA, I can understand quite well that Trump was quite unhappy in this situation (it was the first time he met Merkel) and did refuse handshake.


At some point in time you have to understand that you are a retard .. and accept that your peers are less than impressed. .-)
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:24 pm

FW200 wrote:
I can understand quite well that Trump was quite unhappy in this situation (it was the first time he met Merkel) and did refuse handshake.


You should already have known that Trump is unhappy with any strong women, no matter what the arena.

WIederling wrote:
At some point in time you have to understand that you are a retard .. and accept that your peers are less than impressed. .-)


I am waiting for the time when his peers just ignore him and wait for the next election cycle in the US.

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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Mon Dec 03, 2018 3:54 pm

bikerthai wrote:
I am waiting for the time when his peers just ignore him and wait for the next election cycle in the US.


There is the counter force that derision / exasperation over a US political figure abroad works like a massive power up.
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:21 pm

WIederling wrote:
FW200 wrote:
Given the fact that Merkel and her administration had taken an outspoken Anti-Trump position during the 2016 campaign and even after Trump had been elected President of the USA, I can understand quite well that Trump was quite unhappy in this situation (it was the first time he met Merkel) and did refuse handshake.


At some point in time you have to understand that you are a retard .. and accept that your peers are less than impressed. .-)


Keep it civil please.
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:40 pm

Those in charge of Frau Merkel's transport should 'drop' by at VCV to check this out before the new president changes his mind..... :airplane: .....



Though I don't know which would be more problematic.....the old A340 or a refurbished "terrible teen"..... :flamed:
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:12 pm

According to Berlin Newspaper "Der Tagespiegel" it is not clear whether it was a technical error or not. Security authorities are skeptical since not only all communication systems broke down but also the ability to dumb fuel. They also got hint from a befriended country

Link in German: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/zwi ... 16156.html
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:05 pm

Devilfish wrote:
Though I don't know which would be more problematic.....the old A340 or a refurbished "terrible teen"..... :flamed:

The A340 has a rather unremarkable history with airlines.
you can't say the same for the 787 ( terrible teen or not.)

Investigations here seem to have returned to not exclude sabotage as underlying cause for this incident.
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/zwischenfall-vor-g20-gipfel-defekter-merkel-airbus-nur-technisches-versagen/23716156.html
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:16 pm

@columba: Sorry, but I think your translation lacks a bit. The article says:

... können die Sicherheitsbehörden noch nicht endgültig sagen, dass es sich ausschließlich um technisches Versagen gehandelt hat.

Which I think is more like
... the security authorities can not finally conclude yet, that it was a solely technical fault.
e.g. they can not prove (yet), that the distribution box failed on its own and nobody tampered with the plane's systems, but investigate in all directions.

Also they stated:
Unter Experten hatte unmittelbar nach Bekanntwerden des Vorfalls Skepsis hervorgerufen, dass sowohl die Funkanlage als auch zeitgleich die Vorrichtung zum Ablassen von Kerosin ausgefallen seien.
Immediatly after the incident became known there was (not "is") scepticism generated amongst experts (unnamed "experts", not "security authorities"), because both the radio communication system (not "all communication systems") and the fuel dump system failed at the same time.

In hindsight this failure mode is logical if both are driven by the same failing power distribution system.

Then comes a lot of conjecture and hearsay but no source or prove.

columba wrote:
According to Berlin Newspaper "Der Tagespiegel" it is not clear whether it was a technical error or not. Security authorities are skeptical since not only all communication systems broke down but also the ability to dumb fuel. They also got hint from a befriended country.

I think a correct translation is important, especially with such a weasel-worded article. Sorry, but your translation gives it a tone, that was not there.

What I still would like to understand and maybe the experts can help: Is there really a power distribution system in the A340 that can take out multiple subsystems at the same time? Wouldn't this create a single point of failure?
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:01 am

A journalist cited from a confidential report written by the German Air Force.

- Lufthansa Technik maintains the plane
- not only did the fault disable the comms system, but also disabled dumping fuel (at CGN, the plane landed overweight)
- LH Technik made an error during maintenance. When they installed the digital comms system in 2010, they didn't document the changes in the pilot's handbooks.
- on the flight, the crew then used the outdated procedures, which did not work on the newer comms system
- at first, a defect soldering joint in a AC-DC converter caused a short-time power failure
- after about 70 seconds, emergency power also failed
- this, in turn, caused the inability to dump fuel

The culprit were several defective electrical components. Only through the sequence of events it was discovered that the handbooks were outdated, too...

The plane will stay on ground till end of January, also for routine checks. In the "Theodor Heuss", the other government 340, the relais and transformers have been exchanged as a precautionary measure.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/ausland/eu ... y/24515034

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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:38 pm

This is quite surprising. But thanks for the report!
 
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:04 pm

Still the Luftwaffe should have a back-up ready for Merkel. They could have taken a goose during take-off, or developed another pan. The BundesKanzler to a tense G20, it doesn't get more serious often.
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Re: Merkel's A343 diverts to CGN

Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:35 pm

flyingturtle wrote:
A journalist cited from a confidential report written by the German Air Force.

- Lufthansa Technik maintains the plane
- not only did the fault disable the comms system, but also disabled dumping fuel (at CGN, the plane landed overweight)
- LH Technik made an error during maintenance. When they installed the digital comms system in 2010, they didn't document the changes in the pilot's handbooks.


LH has rebutted the allegations.
Department of Defense is in line with LHTechnik.
Looks like the "confidential report" is another "Der Spiegel" invention ;-)

As told in the news here Tonight German DoD/Luftwaffe got the information but forgot to tell the pilots.
... i.e. add it to the manuals.
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