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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:06 am

Let's talk about the boom actuator fix, the Air Force by agreeing to pay for the fix are acknowledging that they have something to do with the botch design, considering how they have not been shy to demand that Boeing fix other deficiencies without pay thus boosting the cost overrun.
I would look carefully at the financing being done by Boeing on this fix, yes the Air Force is strapped for cash, and yes Boeing may want to fix the issue sooner rather than later as it will make their production process simpler, however, I would suggest we watch closely to see that the financing is for the 55.5 million and the repayment by the Air Force is for that amount with a reasonable amount of interest.
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:54 pm

The 157th Air Refueling Wing has received their first KC-46 tanker.

https://www.unionleader.com/news/busine ... 4dadf.html
 
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:48 am

In total three KC-46A aircraft were delivered :

L/N 1137 C/N 34110 B767-2LKC 17-46029 USAF KC-46A (VH029) LRIP 3, #06/15, tail 76029 was delivered to the 157th ARW (Pease Air National Guard Base, Portsmouth, New Hampshire) at August 08th with callsign PACK01.

The next day two tankers were delivered :

L/N 1160 C/N 34089 B767-2LKC 18-46039 USAF KC-46A (VH039) Lot 4, #01/18, N1785B, tail 86039 was delivered to the 22th ARW (Mc Connell Air Force Base Wichita, Kansas, USA ) at August 09th with callsign MDUSA09

L/N 1149 C/N 34114 B767-2LKC 17-46034 USAF KC-46A (VH034) LRIP3, #11/15, tail 76034 was delivered to the 157th ARW (Pease Air National Guard Base, Portsmouth, New Hampshire) at August 09th with callsign PACK02.
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:22 pm

I'm confused with the KC-46 spreadsheet. It doesn't show the two July deliveries noted upthread, but it shows the 3 August deliveries. Is something off with the spreadsheet? Other questions are below the link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 2121076296

LN1102 was first flight on 12-5-17 and delivered on 1-25-19 but the rest of LN1098 - LN1116 still have not had first flight? Seems weird.
LN1117 to 1124 had first flights months, even over a year ago but none delivered in that group.
LN1126 to LN1154, except 1129 and 1132 are all delivered, why are the deliveries out of this middle group?
LN1156 to LN1172 all have 1st flights but only one delivery from this group.

It seems quite random the first flights and deliveries, is there any method to this madness?
 
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:59 pm

That link is unreliable and much of it is guesswork.

46009 was the production test 'mule' and the first to hand over to the USAF, ie. leave Seattle.

46007-46016 are all in a state of rework from the USAF moving the goal posts.

46017-46021 were mostly done until the last moving of goal posts. 46017 and 46019 have been delivered to the tanker program but neither have flown since arriving at the MFC. 46018, 46020 and 46021 are all back at PAE being reworked.

46024 rework at PAE.

46038, 46040, 46041, 46042, 46043, 46044, 46045 have all delivered to the tanker program and are being QC'd at BFI before fly-away.

46041 and 46042 will probably be the next ones to leave imo.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:31 am

RobK wrote:
That link is unreliable and much of it is guesswork.

46009 was the production test 'mule' and the first to hand over to the USAF, ie. leave Seattle.

46007-46016 are all in a state of rework from the USAF moving the goal posts.

46017-46021 were mostly done until the last moving of goal posts. 46017 and 46019 have been delivered to the tanker program but neither have flown since arriving at the MFC. 46018, 46020 and 46021 are all back at PAE being reworked.

46024 rework at PAE.

46038, 46040, 46041, 46042, 46043, 46044, 46045 have all delivered to the tanker program and are being QC'd at BFI before fly-away.

46041 and 46042 will probably be the next ones to leave imo.


Thank you for the good information.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:13 pm

JayinKitsap wrote:
RobK wrote:
That link is unreliable and much of it is guesswork.

46009 was the production test 'mule' and the first to hand over to the USAF, ie. leave Seattle.

46007-46016 are all in a state of rework from the USAF moving the goal posts.

46017-46021 were mostly done until the last moving of goal posts. 46017 and 46019 have been delivered to the tanker program but neither have flown since arriving at the MFC. 46018, 46020 and 46021 are all back at PAE being reworked.

46024 rework at PAE.

46038, 46040, 46041, 46042, 46043, 46044, 46045 have all delivered to the tanker program and are being QC'd at BFI before fly-away.

46041 and 46042 will probably be the next ones to leave imo.


Thank you for the good information.


For a more accurate overview, than the first link, see : https://tykesaeroblog.blogspot.com/p/us ... tatus.html
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:04 pm

Latest assembled KC-46A, August 23th 2019
L/N 1192 C/N 41870 B767-2LKC 18-46052 USAF KC-46A (VH052) Lot 4, #12/18, tail 86052

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For a larger picture, see : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2019/08/paine- ... st-23.html
And scroll to the last picture and double click.
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:23 pm

Two more deliveries :

L/N 1117, MSN 34108, 16-46017, KC-46A US Air Force delivery flight at 29th August 2019, BFI-Wichita IAB with callsign MDUSA12

L/N 1166, MSN 34090, 18-46042, KC-46A US Air Force delivery flight at 29th August 2019, BFI-Wichita IAB with callsign MDUSA11

See : https://tykesaeroblog.blogspot.com/sear ... l/DELIVERY
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:49 pm

Nice! That makes 5 fly-aways thus far this month. I expect that 46046/ & 7 will transfer to the BDS Program in the coming days and fly down to BFI for pre-delivery checks now that a couple of stalls have been freed up. Looks like 46041 should be the next one to fly-away.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:10 pm

RobK wrote:
Nice! That makes 5 fly-aways thus far this month. I expect that 46046/ & 7 will transfer to the BDS Program in the coming days and fly down to BFI for pre-delivery checks now that a couple of stalls have been freed up. Looks like 46041 should be the next one to fly-away.


And according to the master list on that blog, that should make 17 actual deliveries flown to the USAF.
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:21 pm

I count 18 unless I need to go back to school ! :crazy:
 
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:41 pm

Boeing seem to be struggling with the counting as well!

https://twitter.com/BoeingDefense/statu ... 7935532032

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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:06 am

Another Category One deficiency that has been discovered during OT&E. Great that they identified it before it became a flight issue for cargo or personnel on regular missions but another frustrating setback for the aircraft. Hopefully the fix is straight forward noting a reasonably large number of number of aircraft now that will likely have to be modified.

KC-46 Banned From Carrying Cargo, Passengers Due to Major New Deficiency

The Air Force will not allow its new tanker to carry personnel or cargo after several incidents in which cargo locks broke free during flight, prompting the service to issue another Category 1 deficiency for the troubled aircraft.

Air Mobility Command, working with the Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center and the KC-46 System Program Office, recently issued a Flight Crew Information File restricting the Pegasus from carrying cargo or passengers, AMC spokesman Col. Damien Pickart said in a release.

The restriction comes as AMC kicks off its largest-ever exercise here at Fairchild AFB, Wash., which includes all of its other refuelers and airlift aircraft while the KC-46 remains on the sideline.

The restriction was issued “following the discovery of cargo restraint devices coming unlocked during recent operational test and evaluation flight. These floor restraints prevent cargo and passenger pallets from shifting during flight, which might endanger the aircrew and aircraft,” Pickart said.

...

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pag ... iency.aspx
 
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:39 pm

Ozair wrote:
Another Category One deficiency that has been discovered during OT&E. Great that they identified it before it became a flight issue for cargo or personnel on regular missions but another frustrating setback for the aircraft. Hopefully the fix is straight forward noting a reasonably large number of number of aircraft now that will likely have to be modified.

KC-46 Banned From Carrying Cargo, Passengers Due to Major New Deficiency

The Air Force will not allow its new tanker to carry personnel or cargo after several incidents in which cargo locks broke free during flight, prompting the service to issue another Category 1 deficiency for the troubled aircraft.

Air Mobility Command, working with the Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center and the KC-46 System Program Office, recently issued a Flight Crew Information File restricting the Pegasus from carrying cargo or passengers, AMC spokesman Col. Damien Pickart said in a release.

The restriction comes as AMC kicks off its largest-ever exercise here at Fairchild AFB, Wash., which includes all of its other refuelers and airlift aircraft while the KC-46 remains on the sideline.

The restriction was issued “following the discovery of cargo restraint devices coming unlocked during recent operational test and evaluation flight. These floor restraints prevent cargo and passenger pallets from shifting during flight, which might endanger the aircrew and aircraft,” Pickart said.

...

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pag ... iency.aspx


We have here the product of the superior design and production capabilities of Boeing. They design products, that fulfill the desire of the USA air force.
- Every frame is delivered with surprises of additional items in unexpected places.
- The superior design insures, that only refueling can be provided, that than is not disturbed by unnecessary freight and passenger transportation demands.
- The superior design of the probe and drogue system insures, that refueling operations by the Air Force are not troubled by unnecessary refueling demands by the Navy or Marine Corps.
- The superior design insures that in flying boom operation, stealth bombers and fighters are properly scratched, so everybody sees that they have been refueled.

This superior designs insures, that nobody will steal a K-46 and will leave an A330MRTT instead. Who wants an multi role tanker transport, when you can get a simple single role tanker? :sarcastic:
 
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:46 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Another Category One deficiency that has been discovered during OT&E. Great that they identified it before it became a flight issue for cargo or personnel on regular missions but another frustrating setback for the aircraft. Hopefully the fix is straight forward noting a reasonably large number of number of aircraft now that will likely have to be modified.

KC-46 Banned From Carrying Cargo, Passengers Due to Major New Deficiency

The Air Force will not allow its new tanker to carry personnel or cargo after several incidents in which cargo locks broke free during flight, prompting the service to issue another Category 1 deficiency for the troubled aircraft.

Air Mobility Command, working with the Air Force Operational Test and Evaluation Center and the KC-46 System Program Office, recently issued a Flight Crew Information File restricting the Pegasus from carrying cargo or passengers, AMC spokesman Col. Damien Pickart said in a release.

The restriction comes as AMC kicks off its largest-ever exercise here at Fairchild AFB, Wash., which includes all of its other refuelers and airlift aircraft while the KC-46 remains on the sideline.

The restriction was issued “following the discovery of cargo restraint devices coming unlocked during recent operational test and evaluation flight. These floor restraints prevent cargo and passenger pallets from shifting during flight, which might endanger the aircrew and aircraft,” Pickart said.

...

http://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pag ... iency.aspx


We have here the product of the superior design and production capabilities of Boeing. They design products, that fulfill the desire of the USA air force.
- Every frame is delivered with surprises of additional items in unexpected places.
- The superior design insures, that only refueling can be provided, that than is not disturbed by unnecessary freight and passenger transportation demands.
- The superior design of the probe and drogue system insures, that refueling operations by the Air Force are not troubled by unnecessary refueling demands by the Navy or Marine Corps.
- The superior design insures that in flying boom operation, stealth bombers and fighters are properly scratched, so everybody sees that they have been refueled.

This superior designs insures, that nobody will steal a K-46 and will leave an A330MRTT instead. Who wants an multi role tanker transport, when you can get a simple single role tanker? :sarcastic:

LOL, a bit dramatic mate. The whole purpose of OT&E is to identify these types of issues and get them fixed. No doubt this is another issue for Boeing that shouldn't have happened but Airbus had their own issues bringing the MRTT into service which have now stabilised and the platform is performing. I expect the same thing from the KC-46.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:17 pm

https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-ne ... personnel/

Boeing, what's wrong with you?

Are the MD guys still running the show at Boeing?

Cargo floor locks are simple devices.

You didn't have this problem with the C-17.

So what did you change?
 
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:25 am

kc135topboom wrote:
https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2019/09/11/air-force-restricts-kc-46-from-carrying-cargo-and-personnel/

Boeing, what's wrong with you?

Are the MD guys still running the show at Boeing?

Cargo floor locks are simple devices.

You didn't have this problem with the C-17.

So what did you change?


Maybe the C-17 cargo floor locks don't fit the 767F floor tracks? Something so simple should be adult proof.
 
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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:57 am

Cargo floor locks are pretty much standard off the shelf parts. They would be the same or similar for Boeing or Airbus. Perhaps military grade locks are different. Must be the cargo floor itself. Did Boeing use the commercial cargo floor? That would be different than the C-17 floor and may need to be tweeked when used with military pallets. But the commercial floors on the 747F is used with military pallets right? Just need fine tuning of the procedures perhaps.

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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:45 pm

kc135topboom wrote:
https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2019/09/11/air-force-restricts-kc-46-from-carrying-cargo-and-personnel/

Boeing, what's wrong with you?

Are the MD guys still running the show at Boeing?

Cargo floor locks are simple devices.

You didn't have this problem with the C-17.

So what did you change?

Wait, those C-17s came from when those MD guys were totally in charge of MD.

bikerthai wrote:
Cargo floor locks are pretty much standard off the shelf parts. They would be the same or similar for Boeing or Airbus. Perhaps military grade locks are different. Must be the cargo floor itself. Did Boeing use the commercial cargo floor? That would be different than the C-17 floor and may need to be tweeked when used with military pallets. But the commercial floors on the 747F is used with military pallets right? Just need fine tuning of the procedures perhaps.

Much more fun to rant about Boeing than to question USAF procedures.

The KC-46 definitely uses the commercial aircraft's cargo floor, but IIRC its specifications changed based on the military spec just before KC-46 went in to production.

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Re: KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread 2019

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm

Revelation wrote:
kc135topboom wrote:
https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2019/09/11/air-force-restricts-kc-46-from-carrying-cargo-and-personnel/

Boeing, what's wrong with you?

Are the MD guys still running the show at Boeing?

Cargo floor locks are simple devices.

You didn't have this problem with the C-17.

So what did you change?

Wait, those C-17s came from when those MD guys were totally in charge of MD.

bikerthai wrote:
Cargo floor locks are pretty much standard off the shelf parts. They would be the same or similar for Boeing or Airbus. Perhaps military grade locks are different. Must be the cargo floor itself. Did Boeing use the commercial cargo floor? That would be different than the C-17 floor and may need to be tweeked when used with military pallets. But the commercial floors on the 747F is used with military pallets right? Just need fine tuning of the procedures perhaps.

Much more fun to rant about Boeing than to question USAF procedures.

The KC-46 definitely uses the commercial aircraft's cargo floor, but IIRC its specifications changed based on the military spec just before KC-46 went in to production.


So you explain the not working cargo floor, in regards to securing the pallets, with changes to the specifications. And that 8 years after Boeing got the acceptance of the bid. What were the changes after the acceptance of the bid and how many years ago?

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