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Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 12:03 am

Weeks after delivery of previously ordered 24 AH-64E Apache's, State Department has provided notice Qatar intends to acquire 24 additional frames with delivery starting 2020 at an estimated cost of $3.0 Bil.

https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/q ... -equipment
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 1:27 am

That’s a big sale for Boeing Defense
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 2:26 am

Reddevil556 wrote:
That’s a big sale for Boeing Defense

Agree and Qatar is a great customer when it comes to long term sustainment contracts so you can expect Boeing will make a lot of money out of this, and the F-15QA deals, over the coming years.
 
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 2:51 am

I guess we're not backing off of support for them in the Middle East (Re: Emirates/SA).
 
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 3:09 am

DigitalSea wrote:
I guess we're not backing off of support for them in the Middle East (Re: Emirates/SA).


I believe the US still operates forward support sites out of Qatar for ME operations, so a defense partnership is expected to continue. Once upon a time a it was Democracy vs Communism. Now it’s about markets and influence. The game never ends, just design the design on the deck of cards.
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 4:29 am

Al Udeid Air Base and nearby Camp As Sayliyah serve as a logistics, command, and basing hub for CENTCOM ops in Afghanistan and Iraq and 17 other nations.
 
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 7:44 am

Qatar can't stop buying political influence, uuhhhh military a/c I mean.

To be delivered:
> Dassault Rafale (36)
> F-15E Strike Eagle (36)
> Eurofighter Typhoon (24)
> Airbus A330 MRTT (2)
> AH-64 Apache (24+24)
> NHIndustries NH90 (28)
> BAE Hawk (9)
> Airbus H125 (16)
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 1:03 pm

To be fair, if you are a small country, with larger, more powerful neighbors, who can be bullies at times, if you can afford it, why not hire a bigger bully to keep your trousers from ending up a flag pole.

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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 1:21 pm

bikerthai wrote:
To be fair, if you are a small country, with larger, more powerful neighbors, who can be bullies at times, if you can afford it, why not hire a bigger bully to keep your trousers from ending up a flag pole.

bt


To modify a famous saying, “The game must go on.” The international arms market hasn’t changed much since the Cold War. Qatar and Kuwait have certainly reaped the benefit of have close US military ties. With the instability on the Arabian Peninsula and the Russians trying to drive a wedge between the US and the Saudis this is certainly a big move.
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 1:56 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Qatar can't stop buying political influence, uuhhhh military a/c I mean.

To be delivered:
> Dassault Rafale (36)
> F-15E Strike Eagle (36)
> Eurofighter Typhoon (24)
> Airbus A330 MRTT (2)
> AH-64 Apache (24+24)
> NHIndustries NH90 (28)
> BAE Hawk (9)
> Airbus H125 (16)


It’s a smart move to guarantee that at the first sign of trouble Germany, Spain, France and the U.K. will send thousands of troops and kit to protect Qatar alongside the U.S., assuming the US gives a rat’s ass in the first place. Any given day hey could be on the wrong end of Twitter and au revoir Qatar, like a rhyme. The more likely scenario is someone invading Qatar just to get all this shiny shit.
 
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 3:00 pm

Reddevil556 wrote:
I believe the US still operates forward support sites out of Qatar for ME operations


Al Udeid Air Base is a "big deal" in terms of American bases. It's a very big and very important place. It's also the brightest place on earth, in my experience. Sunglasses are absolutely required. It's largely self-contained and rumor had it was going to be a PCS base, but I don't know if that ever came off.

bikerthai wrote:
to keep your trousers from ending up a flag pole.


:lol:
 
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 9:02 pm

Now if the ME countries would only learn how to really use all their fancy, expensive toys so that they could defend their own interests...
 
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 9:47 pm

johns624 wrote:
Now if the ME countries would only learn how to really use all their fancy, expensive toys so that they could defend their own interests...


I am not quite sure if that would make the situation much better.
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Fri May 10, 2019 10:44 pm

Dutchy wrote:
johns624 wrote:
Now if the ME countries would only learn how to really use all their fancy, expensive toys so that they could defend their own interests...


I am not quite sure if that would make the situation much better.


Turkey is a good example. Erdogan is turning into a rouge player and getting into bed with the Russians comes at a cost.
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Sat May 11, 2019 12:34 am

johns624 wrote:
Now if the ME countries would only learn how to really use all their fancy, expensive toys so that they could defend their own interests...


The Saudi did just that and ended up in a quagmire. But I guess, you can't not learn from your mistakes if you don't try

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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Sat May 11, 2019 2:57 am

bikerthai wrote:
johns624 wrote:
Now if the ME countries would only learn how to really use all their fancy, expensive toys so that they could defend their own interests...


The Saudi did just that and ended up in a quagmire. But I guess, you can't not learn from your mistakes if you don't try

bt

The quality of the 'training' many of these Middle Eastern countries provide can be best described as... lacking in terms of skills, professionalism, and realism.

Many of these countries have fallen into the mindset that buying the best equipment available, and ignoring training will result in victory in combat. That's why sometimes, these countries, when going into these smaller conflicts against more motivated, but less well equipped forces, suffer horrible losses and defeats until they manage to pile in enough equipment and manpower to just overwhelm their opponents through sheer brute numbers.

The underlying issue is that many of these Middle Eastern countries are brutal dictatorships; by their very nature, such dictatorships discourage initiative and independent judgment. Decisions are made top down, with units micromanaged from the leadership from the back, which may not be competent leaders who earned their rank, but by cronyism.

There are of course some exceptions to this generalization; for example, the Jordanians have a top notch military that's considered one of the most professional in the region. I've also heard many good things about the skill and professionalism of the UAE's military as well.
 
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Sat May 11, 2019 9:14 am

ThePointblank wrote:
bikerthai wrote:
johns624 wrote:
Now if the ME countries would only learn how to really use all their fancy, expensive toys so that they could defend their own interests...


The Saudi did just that and ended up in a quagmire. But I guess, you can't not learn from your mistakes if you don't try

bt

The quality of the 'training' many of these Middle Eastern countries provide can be best described as... lacking in terms of skills, professionalism, and realism.

Many of these countries have fallen into the mindset that buying the best equipment available, and ignoring training will result in victory in combat. That's why sometimes, these countries, when going into these smaller conflicts against more motivated, but less well equipped forces, suffer horrible losses and defeats until they manage to pile in enough equipment and manpower to just overwhelm their opponents through sheer brute numbers.

The underlying issue is that many of these Middle Eastern countries are brutal dictatorships; by their very nature, such dictatorships discourage initiative and independent judgment. Decisions are made top down, with units micromanaged from the leadership from the back, which may not be competent leaders who earned their rank, but by cronyism.

There are of course some exceptions to this generalization; for example, the Jordanians have a top notch military that's considered one of the most professional in the region. I've also heard many good things about the skill and professionalism of the UAE's military as well.


A close friend of mine trained with the Jordanians and then deployed with them to Afghanistan. He stated while they were much better trained than other ME forces, he wasn’t impressed with them during direct action against the Taliban. By and large my experience with Jordanian forces has been positive though.
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Sat May 11, 2019 2:09 pm

Skills require effective training. Effective training requires time, money, and motivation, and risk. It is difficult to get all of these in any of these countries.

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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Thu May 16, 2019 3:54 am

Dutchy wrote:
Qatar can't stop buying political influence, uuhhhh military a/c I mean.

To be delivered:
> Dassault Rafale (36)
> F-15E Strike Eagle (36)
> Eurofighter Typhoon (24)
> Airbus A330 MRTT (2)
> AH-64 Apache (24+24)
> NHIndustries NH90 (28)
> BAE Hawk (9)
> Airbus H125 (16)


I wonder where or how they'll come up with enough Qatari pilots for all these aircraft from a native population of < 500,000 or do they allow foreigners in their military?
 
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Thu May 16, 2019 5:05 am

mapletux wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Qatar can't stop buying political influence, uuhhhh military a/c I mean.

To be delivered:
> Dassault Rafale (36)
> F-15E Strike Eagle (36)
> Eurofighter Typhoon (24)
> Airbus A330 MRTT (2)
> AH-64 Apache (24+24)
> NHIndustries NH90 (28)
> BAE Hawk (9)
> Airbus H125 (16)


I wonder where or how they'll come up with enough Qatari pilots for all these aircraft from a native population of < 500,000 or do they allow foreigners in their military?

My understanding is that they hire a lot of expat pilots from Pakistan to fly their fighters.

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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Tue May 21, 2019 8:06 pm

Yup the first batch of Rafales for Qatar will be flown by Pakistani exchange pilots, so there you have it, the Pakistani will be flying the Rafales earlier than the Indians :D
 
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Tue May 21, 2019 8:11 pm

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Yup the first batch of Rafales for Qatar will be flown by Pakistani exchange pilots, so there you have it, the Pakistani will be flying the Rafales earlier than the Indians :D


haha, that is an awkward fact.
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Re: Qatar to purchase 24 additional AH-64s

Wed May 22, 2019 12:28 am

Dutchy wrote:
hmmwv wrote:
Yup the first batch of Rafales for Qatar will be flown by Pakistani exchange pilots, so there you have it, the Pakistani will be flying the Rafales earlier than the Indians :D


haha, that is an awkward fact.


No this is not a fact, there are ZERO Pakistani pilots on the Qatari Rafales.

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