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F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Wed May 15, 2019 6:39 pm

A very nice overview of the design evolution of the F-14 Tomcat by presented by former Northrop Grumman VP Mike Ciminera. I found it quite interesting and I know many of you have a special place in your heart of this aircraft, so I thought I share it.

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Re: F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Wed May 15, 2019 6:50 pm

Dutchy wrote:
A very nice overview of the design evolution of the F-14 Tomcat by presented by former Northrop Grumman VP Mike Ciminera. I found it quite interesting and I know many of you have a special place in your heart of this aircraft, so I thought I share it.

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Re: F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Wed May 15, 2019 9:07 pm

Dutchy wrote:
A very nice overview of the design evolution of the F-14 Tomcat by presented by former Northrop Grumman VP Mike Ciminera. I found it quite interesting and I know many of you have a special place in your heart of this aircraft, so I thought I share it.

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I'd also suggest listening to the Fighter Pilot Podcast episode on the F-14 here, https://www.fighterpilotpodcast.com/epi ... 14-tomcat/

The podcast is fantastic and goes into a lot of detail as well as having excellent and knowledgeable subject matter experts discuss aircraft and systems.
 
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Re: F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Tue May 28, 2019 2:18 pm

Thanks!
 
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Re: F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Wed May 29, 2019 1:21 pm

Many years ago, a thread on here clued me in to two great books on the F-14, my favorite plane of all time. Figure this is a good time to share them:

Grumman F-14 Tomcat: Bye - Bye, Baby...! - This might be out of print because the prices are astronomical now compared to what I paid several years ago, but... I'd venture it might even still be worth it. Tons of great photos. This is a very large book, too. Not a typical book size. I think it's like if you oriented a magazine side-to-side instead of top-to-bottom. Like 8.5"x11" sized pages. The "book" is much more about photos and anecdotes than a detailed story, though, as a warning.

Then the much more-reasonably-priced:

Tomcat!: The Grumman F-14 Story - This one is also a very large book and contains much more of a story than the other book, which is kind of more of a huge book of photos and anecdotes.
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Re: F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Wed May 29, 2019 10:45 pm

I was never a fan of the F-14 until the "D" model came out with new engines.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:19 am

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I was never a fan of the F-14 until the "D" model came out with new engines.


The B model had the GE F110's as well. When I was in it was called the A+, then someone decided to change it to the B. Why they didn't do that to begin with I have no idea.

Here's a good video of what happened when F-15 crews out of Langley went up against the A+/B for the first time expecting the TF-30 powered A models.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFIgt_fWl5Q
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:15 am

cjg225 wrote:
Grumman F-14 Tomcat: Bye - Bye, Baby...! - This might be out of print because the prices are astronomical now compared to what I paid several years ago, but... I'd venture it might even still be worth it. Tons of great photos. This is a very large book, too. Not a typical book size. I think it's like if you oriented a magazine side-to-side instead of top-to-bottom. Like 8.5"x11" sized pages. The "book" is much more about photos and anecdotes than a detailed story, though, as a warning.

I bought this one when it was first published. Growing up on Long Island, I was always a Grumman and F-14 fan. This book has some amazing photography, well worth it!
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Re: F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:54 am

Still remember seeing them flying over Robert Moses state beach one or two summers in the early 70’s.

Maybe these sightings sparked my interest. Never thought of this until just now.

Thanks for starting the thread.
 
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Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:11 am

Everyone here has probably seen F-14 in action videos because there are so many of them out there. Here's one that made those videos possible.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/f14asso ... 962448214/
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Re: F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:06 pm

What a great bird.
Too bad they do not fly anymore.
Imho the F-18 cannot beat the Tomcat on air superiority missions... what are your thoughts?
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Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:45 pm

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What a great bird.
Too bad they do not fly anymore.
Imho the F-18 cannot beat the Tomcat on air superiority missions... what are your thoughts?

The Hornet was better close in (especially with AIM-9X and the JHMCS), and with the AIM-120D, matches the F-14 at long ranges, with a better avionics suite to boot. Oh, the Hornet was also more reliable and easier to maintain on a carrier's deck, meaning you can sortie more Hornets compared to the F-14.
 
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Re: F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:51 pm

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What a great bird.
Too bad they do not fly anymore.
Imho the F-18 cannot beat the Tomcat on air superiority missions... what are your thoughts?

Lots of potential either way. Are you talking today with Iran v USN, when both were operating together? Which Hornet and tomcat and what configutations?

If we talk BVR then the Tomcat with the AWG-9/AIM-54 likely has the upper hand until the AIM-54 was retired a couple of years before the F-14.

If we talk WVR then the Hornet is clearly the superior airframe, especially with the HMS/Hobs missile combination.

As always the respective pilots and their ability to extract the best out of their aircraft and fight to their strengths is the most critical factor.
 
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Re: F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:44 pm

FatCat wrote:
What a great bird.
Too bad they do not fly anymore.
Imho the F-18 cannot beat the Tomcat on air superiority missions... what are your thoughts?


Thought Iran’s air force still flies them?


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Re: F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:17 pm

Dutchy wrote:
A very nice overview of the design evolution of the F-14 Tomcat by presented by former Northrop Grumman VP Mike Ciminera. I found it quite interesting and I know many of you have a special place in your heart of this aircraft, so I thought I share it.

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Your link was a bit confusing because it had &t=2431s in it that I removed in the link above (i.e. skipped forward to around the 2/3rds mark), was that what you intended?

But yeah, the entire series ( https://www.youtube.com/user/PeninsulaSrsVideos/videos ) has a lot of interesting content in in, but this video was IMHO the best of the bunch.

It's interesting to hear about the various influences that were either kept or rejected from the F-111 work that Grumman did.
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Re: F-14 Tomcat - design evolution

Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:44 pm

ThePointblank wrote:
FatCat wrote:
What a great bird.
Too bad they do not fly anymore.
Imho the F-18 cannot beat the Tomcat on air superiority missions... what are your thoughts?

The Hornet was better close in (especially with AIM-9X and the JHMCS), and with the AIM-120D, matches the F-14 at long ranges, with a better avionics suite to boot. Oh, the Hornet was also more reliable and easier to maintain on a carrier's deck, meaning you can sortie more Hornets compared to the F-14.


The F-14 required something like 50 maintenance hours per flight hour, vs. something like 10-20 for the SH. From a cost/standardization perspective, it was a no brainer for the DoD, Tomcat mafia emotions aside. The Super Tomcat 21 enhancements proposed were probably a bridge to far ("Max" if you prefer?), which I don't think would have really gotten the operating costs down to equivalent levels, thought he pictures/specs/proposals are still intriguing. The Iranian zombie tomcats today are just sad shadows of their former selves (akin to the Iranian economy, perhaps).

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