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France To Aquire CH-47's?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:31 pm

Interesting and as stated, possibly an influence on how Germany proceeds in this area;
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... on-459660/

I have long be surprised that France has never brought even a limited number of CH-47's or CH-53's.
Even with all of the numbers of the Puma family, now the NH-90's, there is that gap, a gap which even neighbors with much smaller land forces fill, such as the Netherlands.
Not just for SF work either, just general support roles, witness the 3 RAF ones deployed to Mali, I bet they are doing more than just supporting special forces.

It's not as if France is averse to importing a small number of usually US aircraft to fill a gap when doing it domestically for such small numbers would be highly expensive, C-130, E-3D, E-2C, Predator drones, being obvious examples. (Going back even further, F-8 Crusaders!)
 
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Re: France To Aquire CH-47's?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:13 pm

I think the CH-47 or the CH-53 would be a great fit for French Air Force. The Dutch Air Force is happy with the CH-47, they even ordered some new ones not to long ago.
 
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Re: France To Aquire CH-47's?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:32 pm

IWMBH wrote:
I think the CH-47 or the CH-53 would be a great fit for French Air Force.


The article specifically state:
France's special forces command says: "The air force is actively studying the acquisition of [CH-47s] for the French special forces. They would complete the current range of helicopters."


So my question is: Does "special forces command" means similar to the US special operations units? Or is it a more generic term?

If specifically designated as "Special Operations" then there is only one realistic/cost effective option.

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Re: France To Aquire CH-47's?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:56 pm

Just like in most countries I think the French Special Forces rely on the equipement of the 'regular' forces. Each military branch has it own Special Forces, but they're coordinated by Special Operation Command in France.
 
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Re: France To Aquire CH-47's?

Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:32 am

Then they are looking for an aircraft for special operation insertion and extraction and not just a heavy lift helcopter as with Germany. Then then only vision that comes to my mind is a rubber boat sliding of the back ramp of a Chinook;)

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Re: France To Aquire CH-47's?

Tue Jul 23, 2019 1:40 pm

So it seams that this may be where it began . . .

https://www.defensedaily.com/french-arm ... rnational/

“These heavy transport helicopters have very high carrying capacity with the possibility of carrying more than four tons of freight and about 30 equipped soldiers,” the French Armed Forces said last week in marking the anniversary of the Chinooks’ deployment in Mali. “The presence of the British detachment alongside the French soldiers reinforces the principle of inter-operable French and British forces through the realization of missions and joint training. The direct participation of the three Chinook helicopters in the missions provides valuable assistance and is a significant contribution to the effort made by France in the fight against terrorist armed groups in the Sahel. After more than a year of Franco-British partnership, these three Chinooks will have transported 7,052 soldiers, 475 tons of cargo and have more than 1,192 hours of flight across the Sahel-Saharan belt.”


They see the toy that the neighbor brought to the game and now they want the same capability.

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Re: France To Aquire CH-47's?

Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:45 pm

bikerthai wrote:
So it seams that this may be where it began . . .

https://www.defensedaily.com/french-arm ... rnational/

“These heavy transport helicopters have very high carrying capacity with the possibility of carrying more than four tons of freight and about 30 equipped soldiers,” the French Armed Forces said last week in marking the anniversary of the Chinooks’ deployment in Mali. “The presence of the British detachment alongside the French soldiers reinforces the principle of inter-operable French and British forces through the realization of missions and joint training. The direct participation of the three Chinook helicopters in the missions provides valuable assistance and is a significant contribution to the effort made by France in the fight against terrorist armed groups in the Sahel. After more than a year of Franco-British partnership, these three Chinooks will have transported 7,052 soldiers, 475 tons of cargo and have more than 1,192 hours of flight across the Sahel-Saharan belt.”


They see the toy that the neighbor brought to the game and now they want the same capability.

bt


Yes, something like that!
While it is well known that the RAF ordered it's first CH-47's in 1978, first delivery in 1980, (after a Ministry Of Defence underspend for the previous year was announced, so the RAF bit their hand off).
Since 10 years before, they had previously ordered CH-47's, soon afterwards, before any metal was cut at Boeing-Vertol, the effects of the late 1967 devaluation of the £ kicked in, cuts across the board, not just Defence, with items requiring spending foreign currency being very vulnerable, this is also when the F-111K was cancelled.
 
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Re: France To Aquire CH-47's?

Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:13 pm

bikerthai wrote:
So it seams that this may be where it began . . .

https://www.defensedaily.com/french-arm ... rnational/

“These heavy transport helicopters have very high carrying capacity with the possibility of carrying more than four tons of freight and about 30 equipped soldiers,” the French Armed Forces said last week in marking the anniversary of the Chinooks’ deployment in Mali. “The presence of the British detachment alongside the French soldiers reinforces the principle of inter-operable French and British forces through the realization of missions and joint training. The direct participation of the three Chinook helicopters in the missions provides valuable assistance and is a significant contribution to the effort made by France in the fight against terrorist armed groups in the Sahel. After more than a year of Franco-British partnership, these three Chinooks will have transported 7,052 soldiers, 475 tons of cargo and have more than 1,192 hours of flight across the Sahel-Saharan belt.”


They see the toy that the neighbor brought to the game and now they want the same capability.

bt


Or if the T408's can replace the current T-55's, gaining about 5K HP as well as being a current design in use on the King Stallions, a far larger capacity.
I would love to see this added to the Block II upgrades.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... new-ch-53k

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