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South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:11 am

Seoul (CNN)South Korean fighter jets fired more than 300 warning shots at a Russian military aircraft Tuesday after it twice violated the country's airspace, defense officials said.

In a statement, South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said that a Russian A-50 command and control military aircraft twice violated South Korean airspace off the country's eastern coast on Tuesday morning.
The incursion came during what South Koreans officials believe was a joint Russian-Chinese military exercise. Two Chinese H-6 bombers had passed into Seoul's air identification zone just hours before, joined by another two Russian military planes.
CNN has reached out to be China and Russia for comment on the incident.
The South Korean military said the Russian A-50 flew above islands claimed by both South Korea and Japan, first at 9.09 a.m. local time and then again at 9.33 a.m., each time for just a matter of minutes.


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Are the Russians trying to get shot down to create an international incident? One intrusion could be brushed off as a stupid navigation error, which should not happen with professional pilots, but everybody makes a mistake right. After they have been told with 80 bullets about their mistake, they came back for seconds. Next time, just shoot it down.
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:31 am

Dutchy wrote:
Are the Russians trying to get shot down to create an international incident?
...
Next time, just shoot it down.


this is really how your brain works?
looks like anybody on planet need nukes to leave same planet with you.
 
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:37 am

both eastern and western countries make "navigation errors" on purpose since always.
that's to test the readiness of the interceptor force.
there are tons of photos of Tu-95s intercepted by ANG's Delta Darts, Eagles, Phantoms and Vipers.
there are also photos of RC-135s intercepted by Su-27s, MiG-29s and so on.
in most recent times, also Eurofighters based in the Baltic Countries intercepted russian planes.
if every plane that made "navigational errors" had to be shot down... lol the F-106s were equipped with the AIR-2 rocket, imagine the disaster
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:43 am

FatCat wrote:
both eastern and western countries make "navigation errors" on purpose since always.
that's to test the readiness of the interceptor force.
there are tons of photos of Tu-95s intercepted by ANG's Delta Darts, Eagles, Phantoms and Vipers.
there are also photos of RC-135s intercepted by Su-27s, MiG-29s and so on.
in most recent times, also Eurofighters based in the Baltic Countries intercepted russian planes.
if every plane that made "navigational errors" had to be shot down... lol the F-106s were equipped with the AIR-2 rocket, imagine the disaster


There is quite a difference between intercepting aircraft in international airspace, which you are talking about and intercepting military aircraft inside national airspace, which is the case in this incident. In international airspace, both aircraft have the right to be there, in national airspace one doesn't, that is what this incident is about. Actual firing on aircraft is hardly done, so imagine what proceeded this to trick the tricker :D
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:44 am

Armadillo1 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Are the Russians trying to get shot down to create an international incident?
...
Next time, just shoot it down.


this is really how your brain works?
looks like anybody on planet need nukes to leave same planet with you.


So I guess Turkey shot have been nuked then? Turkey did actually shot down a Russian aircraft. :roll:
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:46 am

and you dream about the same?
 
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:52 am

Hmm I don't think that a Country has the right to intercept a foreign plane while on international airspace.
Intercepts of civil planes not responding to the radio is a thing, but foreign military planes obviously are not in radio contact with the other Nation's command & control centers...
BTW the best defence are G2A missiles. See the U2 in 1960 over Soviet Union. Or the infamous A300 shot down by the americans...
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:51 am

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Hmm I don't think that a Country has the right to intercept a foreign plane while on international airspace.

You don't have the right to force a plane in international airspace to do something but there are no rules against escorting them. Particularly if they are in the same airspace that civil aircraft use, but they're not using a transponder that would enable collision avoidance.
 
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:24 am

Russia is, of course, denying that Korea's airspace was violated and also that the fighter jets did anything but "dangerous maneuvers", no shots fired.
https://www.rt.com/news/464817-south-ko ... a-bombers/
 
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:44 am

Armadillo1 wrote:
and you dream about the same?


That is what usually happens if you repeatedly violate someones airspace, even firing warning shots is already a huge escalation, and if there is a country that knows to restrain itself against provocation, it is South Korea, so they probably have been plenty pissed.

mxaxai wrote:
Russia is, of course, denying that Korea's airspace was violated and also that the fighter jets did anything but "dangerous maneuvers", no shots fired.
https://www.rt.com/news/464817-south-ko ... a-bombers/


This is either true, or really stupid...... if they fired warning shots, there is gun camera footage to release. ...

But a really nice spin they put on Fighter pilots trying to get their attention without a stream of 20mm bullets.....

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both eastern and western countries make "navigation errors" on purpose since always.


that excuse is really still used after GPS and Glonass?

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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:12 pm

GPS/GLONASS doesn’t eliminate “fat finger” errors which is why we still plot positions over the ocean.
 
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:27 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
FatCat wrote:
both eastern and western countries make "navigation errors" on purpose since always.


that excuse is really still used after GPS and Glonass?

Well, yeah, of course. Everyday all over the world, navigation errors occur, whether by private individuals, commercial carriers, or military.

Navigation errors will always occur and there is really no way to stop them. Even if it were a one in a billion chance...but when you have billions of miles/kilometers of movements each day.....

This is why we actually need to be careful and thoughtful about how were respond to any such event. These ones may very well be planned and intended to be provocative but sometimes they be actual errors and no wars need to start from that (because of either really).

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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:13 pm

Doubt this was a navigational error. The small islands it flew over are claimed by both South Korea and Japan. This ambiguity undoubtedly led the Russians into thinking they could just test the intrusion and see who responded.
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https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN2019072301 ... /diplomacy
 
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:43 am

There was no need for any shoot-down, but a shoot-down wouldn't have led to war either. Play stupid games, earn stupid prizes.
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:22 pm

I find this whole incident potentially worrying, this is a joint Russian-Chinese flight and the Russian formation flew over the disputed island that triggered the South Korean response. Technically the island is in dispute so jurisdiction of its air space is in dispute, yet the Korean response is seen as acceptable by the international community (minus Japan apparently) so far. China is clearly observing this whole incident and will probably use it as a model for future interception in South China Sea, where US flights routinely challenge air spaces around Chinese controlled islands. Today we see Koreans firing cannons around Russian aircraft, tomorrow we may see bullets flying pass a P-8A over Woody Island air space.....
 
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:02 pm

hmmwv wrote:
I find this whole incident potentially worrying, this is a joint Russian-Chinese flight and the Russian formation flew over the disputed island that triggered the South Korean response. Technically the island is in dispute so jurisdiction of its air space is in dispute, yet the Korean response is seen as acceptable by the international community (minus Japan apparently) so far. China is clearly observing this whole incident and will probably use it as a model for future interception in South China Sea, where US flights routinely challenge air spaces around Chinese controlled islands. Today we see Koreans firing cannons around Russian aircraft, tomorrow we may see bullets flying pass a P-8A over Woody Island air space.....


Very observant. This game of high stake intrigue and political maneuvers seems be escalating both east (South China Sea) and west (Turkey). All this at a time when the US president is focusing his attention elsewhere (congress). Enough to make you want to hold your breath until after the next election cycle. :scared:

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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Thu Jul 25, 2019 7:14 pm

The dispute doesn't include China or Russia, so they were violating someone's airspace anyway.

You might argue the US is doing the same because it doesn't claim the contested islands it flies over, but at least the US does this for the benefit of the claimant countries (I still think it shouldn't really be doing it, instead supporting the involved countries in doing it themselves). China and Russia are of course not doing this for Japan.
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Re: South Korea fires 360 warning shots at Russian military aircraft

Fri Jul 26, 2019 10:33 am

Actually the US is exersizing right of passage which is different than supporting a claimant.

This is extra sensitive through the straight of Hormuz as well.

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