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G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:30 pm

US President Trump will attend the G7 summit in Biarritz from August 24 on. I found a few articles in French about AF1 possibly not being able to go to BIQ because of its too short runway (2,250m/7,382ft). Landing wouldn't be a problem but taking off with full tanks would be. The article mentions how authorities are still thinking of a solution and looking at alternate options. The surrounding air bases don't have long enough runways, only BOD would be suitable but would require a helicopter transfer and closing the air space.

Question: could AF1 take off from BIQ and make a fuel stop on the way back to the US?


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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:53 pm

It could and has in the past on other trips where the destination airport didn’t allow for take-off. Probably Shannon. Or land at Mont de Marsan or Bordeaux and helicopter over.

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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Wed Aug 07, 2019 4:05 pm

The same goes for Japan, I guess, or other leaders with a widebody. Can BIQ host a number of large a/c?
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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:58 pm

Well given that AF1 is whatever aircraft he is on then he can use a C-32 for this trip or at least a local last leg, of the trip leaving the VC-25 at a local USAF base
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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:31 am

How about Toulouse? It will be a final helicopter ride anywhere. Or Mont-de-Marsan french airbase?
 
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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:07 am

Noshow wrote:
How about Toulouse? It will be a final helicopter ride anywhere. Or Mont-de-Marsan french airbase?


The BA118 Mont-de-Marsan has a long enough runway (3,600m) but according to the article, not strong enough to withstand the weight of a 747.

TLS is a bit further East so maybe not as convenient as BOD.

LDE (Tarbes-Lourdes) is closer to Biarritz and could definitely work in terms of runway length (3,000m) but then there wouldn't be enough room for all the VIP jets to park during the summit as most ramp space is taken by stored wide bodies (A340, A380,etc.).
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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:55 pm

ro1960 wrote:
Noshow wrote:
How about Toulouse? It will be a final helicopter ride anywhere. Or Mont-de-Marsan french airbase?


The BA118 Mont-de-Marsan has a long enough runway (3,600m) but according to the article, not strong enough to withstand the weight of a 747.

TLS is a bit further East so maybe not as convenient as BOD.

LDE (Tarbes-Lourdes) is closer to Biarritz and could definitely work in terms of runway length (3,000m) but then there wouldn't be enough room for all the VIP jets to park during the summit as most ramp space is taken by stored wide bodies (A340, A380,etc.).


VIT is closer than BOD and mostly has cargo operations, so would probably be the least disruptive option.

BIQ and EAS can hold smaller biz jets without issue.
 
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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:05 pm

JJJ wrote:

BIQ and EAS can hold smaller biz jets without issue.


The summit being organized in France by French authorities, the airfields will have to be in France?
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Thu Aug 08, 2019 3:21 pm

ro1960 wrote:
JJJ wrote:

BIQ and EAS can hold smaller biz jets without issue.


The summit being organized in France by French authorities, the airfields will have to be in France?


Not necessarity. Lough Erne had extensive security preparations in the Irish side of the border as well as the North.

GVA was the airport of choice on the Évian summit (which indeed has a small French sector, but the VIP terminals are all in the Swiss part, and the airport land and authority is fully Swiss so they did not land in French territory).
 
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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:24 pm

Still don't know about AF1 but the VH-60 has been unloaded today at EAS.

https://www.elperiodico.com/es/internac ... g7-7600006
 
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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:06 am

JJJ wrote:
Still don't know about AF1 but the VH-60 has been unloaded today at EAS.

https://www.elperiodico.com/es/internac ... g7-7600006


An article states that AF1 may land at BOD. Strange that the VH-60 was not unloaded there.

In French behind paywall:
https://www.sudouest.fr/2019/08/20/g7-a-biarritz-donald-trump-atterrira-a-l-aeroport-de-merignac-6464653-10685.php
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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:34 pm

So the location for the G7 summit was chosen because it creates a logistical nightmare for the non-European leaders to get there using their private planes messing up the ozone layer, of they just wanted to have additional security measures, such as closing additional area's of air space for helicopter travel?
 
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:08 pm

It was chosen because it's a nice place.

In recent times these summits have been hosted in places selected because they were out of the way and easy to secure to avoid wild protests, I guess we want to show we do know how to prevent this (people have already been arrested).

7 leaders coming, they don't need crazy logistics.
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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:57 pm

par13del wrote:
So the location for the G7 summit was chosen because it creates a logistical nightmare for the non-European leaders to get there using their private planes messing up the ozone layer, of they just wanted to have additional security measures, such as closing additional area's of air space for helicopter travel?


Not just air space. Most roads and city centers are locked out. Businesses are not happy. It's in the middle of their high season.
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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:40 am

par13del wrote:
So the location for the G7 summit was chosen because it creates a logistical nightmare for the non-European leaders to get there using their private planes messing up the ozone layer, of they just wanted to have additional security measures, such as closing additional area's of air space for helicopter travel?


These are NOT private planes; under the Chicago Convention they’re “state” aircraft. I can’t think of an head of state traveling regularly on a private plane. Even Trump doesn’t.

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Re: G7 in Biarritz: Can AF1 land there?

Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:06 pm

Looks like he landed at Bordeaux in the VC-25, then hopped over to Biarritz in a C-32.

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