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T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:11 pm

The T-X is now the T-7A Red Hawk in honor of the Tuskegee Airmen.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... irmen.html


Acting Air Force Secretary Matt Donovan announced the name of the jet, known previously as the T-X, on Monday, alongside retired Col. Charles McGee, who was a member of the Tuskegee Airmen.


"The name, Red Hawk, honors the legacy of the Tuskegee Airmen, and pays homage to their signature red-tailed aircraft from World War II," Donovan said here during the annual Air, Space and Cyber conference.

"The name is also a tribute to the Curtiss P-40 Warhawk, an American fighter aircraft that first flew in 1938 and was flown by the 99th Fighter Squadron -- the U.S. Army Air Forces' first African-American fighter squadron," Donovan said.

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Boeing/Saab T-7A Red Hawk (Former "T-X") News And Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:13 pm

USAF has revealed the "T-X" will be known as the "Red Hawk" in honor of the Tuskegee Airmen:

NATIONAL HARBOR, Maryland -- The U.S. Air Force will call its new trainer the T-7A "Red Hawk."

Acting Air Force Secretary Matt Donovan announced the name of the jet, known previously as the T-X, on Monday, alongside retired Col. Charles McGee, who was a member of the Tuskegee Airmen.

"The name, Red Hawk, honors the legacy of the Tuskegee Airmen, and pays homage to their signature red-tailed aircraft from World War II," Donovan said here during the annual Air, Space and Cyber conference.

"The name is also a tribute to the Curtiss P-40 Warhawk, an American fighter aircraft that first flew in 1938 and was flown by the 99th Fighter Squadron -- the U.S. Army Air Forces' first African-American fighter squadron," Donovan said.


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Ref: https://www.military.com/daily-news/201 ... dI.twitter
Ref: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... esignation
Ref: https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display ... -red-hawk/

The program has passed 100 flights with the two prototypes.
Ref: https://twitter.com/BoeingDefense/statu ... 3839664129
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:15 pm

Scooped by 2 minutes, lol!

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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:45 pm

I like your thread better . . . pretty picture . . .
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:02 am

Is there a combat variant in the works like the T-38/F-5? I couldn’t find any conclusive sources. If the intent is to bridge the gap to more modern fighters, are other F-35 operators showing interest?
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:12 am

Reddevil556 wrote:
Is there a combat variant in the works like the T-38/F-5?

No actual designs have been shown but an F-T/X, I guess now F/A-7A?, has been suggested by a number of think tanks and there remains the proposal to use the T-7A as an aggressor platform, for which a light attack variant may be a good option.

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I couldn’t find any conclusive sources. If the intent is to bridge the gap to more modern fighters, are other F-35 operators showing interest?

Probably a bit early for that. A few current F-35 operators such as Italy and Israel are already using the M-346 while Korea is using the T-50. I could see Australia going for the T-7A in the early 2030s to replace the Hawk, and a few others likely have similar aged hawk fleets. The interesting question will be from nations like Malaysia and Indonesia who use the Hawk currently as both a trainer and light attack aircraft. Moving to the T-7A would make a lot of sense.

Noting a well as large number of NATO nations have their aircrew trained in the US on T-38s so those programs and pilots will move to the T-7A when it arrives.
 
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:29 am

I could see the Pentagon market future F-35 sales with a T-7 package. Also a T-7/F-7 package.
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:45 am

Reddevil556 wrote:
I could see the Pentagon market future F-35 sales with a T-7 package.

In this case they would be separate FMS cases for an acquisition given the different programs and different vendors so would be separate DSCA notifications. The Pentagon wouldn’t market these as a “package deal” but let the respective manufacturers makes their offers and then run that through the standard FMS process.
 
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:58 am

There could be incentives if they buy a US fighter and trainer together...is more or less what I was getting at.
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:18 am

I see a potential for countries with small airforces and not much in terms of support infrastructure going for the F-7A with the accompanying support package offered by Boeing. If they can roll it in as part of offsets requirement with their national carrier's commercial fleet as well, then there could be benefits for both parties.

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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:03 pm

This could also conceivably be the next Thunderbirds jet I would imagine. I realize traditionally they don’t fly trainers but really it would be a waste to utilize F-35’s for that role.
 
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:26 pm

All of these are classy problems for the Boeing/Saab team to have.

The initial need is to replace ~350 USAF trainers, and IMO that's just the first order of many.

I kind of like the idea of a modern A-7 attack plane, though!

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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:08 pm

Revelation wrote:
I kind of like the idea of a modern A-7 attack plane, though!


Would it be FA-7 similar to FA-18?

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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:23 pm

bikerthai wrote:
Revelation wrote:
I kind of like the idea of a modern A-7 attack plane, though!

Would it be FA-7 similar to FA-18?

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Probably, because ego demands everything be called a fighter, but I prefer the old school nomenclature.

I also doubt T-7 has all the strength built in to the first pass models to become an attack plane very easily.

Unless it's meant to carry light weight ordinance such as Hellfire, but if you're going to use them, a drone is more suitable.

In short, those getting their hopes up for an attack plane will probably need to wait several years.

Yet these days everyone wants to claim to be the first to think of it, so we get lots of people doing so.
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:30 pm

I doubt they would go with the F/A designation. The Hornet started as the A-18, F-18, and TF-18, the F/A was a way to make the Hornet look like more compared to the F-14. The Strike Eagle is not the F/A-15E and the Lightning II is not the F/A-35A. Its pretty much a given these days that all fighters can do both rolls, even if in a limited fashion.
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:56 pm

F/A was a Navy conjecture. Zero chance it’s applied by the USAF. It would be even less likely than the US Navy adopting any of the various Harrier designators from the Royal Navy.
 
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:00 am

That's a mean looking plane. With half the power of a F-18!
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:02 pm

4,300 pounds of thrust less than half.

T-7 MTOW 12,125lbs

Super Hornet MTOW 66,000lbs
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:23 pm

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4,300 pounds of thrust less than half.

T-7 MTOW 12,125lbs

Super Hornet MTOW 66,000lbs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_T- ... ifications says 11,000 lbf for T-7A since it has no afterburner, whereas F18 does.

Is that the distinction we're trying to make?
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:01 pm

Hm, both use the F404 engine. The F-18 has just two of them... and the F-18 doesn't use afterburner a lot.
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:43 pm

IIRC, the T-7 does have A/B at 17,000 lbs of thrust. It probably won't be needed for most ops but high and hot it will certainly be necessary and used.
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:34 pm

This video looks like afterburners to me: https://youtu.be/zAqzxGyLcQk

I'd be very surprised to see any current aircraft go supersonic without AB.
 
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:01 am

The F-22 does supercruise (supersonic without afterburner), and the F-16N can do it with a clean configuration.

That said, numerous articles have quoted specs for the T-X/T-7A has an afterburning engine, which seem excessive, considering mil power almost matches takeoff weight.

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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:43 am

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I'd be very surprised to see any current aircraft go supersonic without AB.

Lots of aircraft go supersonic without afterburner. The standard procedure is to bunt the airframe. From another forum,
In real world we bunted slightly, got supersonic quickly, then slowly raised nose and zipped along. In the Viper, you could go supersonic at 30K or slightly lower in mil power using that technique, but would fall back subsonic once level. At 40K, you could stay supersonic by bumping in and outta min burner.


It is far worse for fuel use to try and accelerate to supersonic using burner compared to trading altitude for speed and pushing through the transonic region more rapidly. I guarantee you that the F-22 and other “supercruisers” would use, where possible, a bunt instead of simply flying straight and level and plugging the AB on.
 
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:47 am

Ok, it's settled, T-7A has afterburners.

I misunderstood what I read.

I still don't understand the math in #19.
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:46 pm

It has 4,300 pounds less than half the thrust of a Super Hornet.
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Re: T-X becomes T-7A Red Hawk

Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:52 pm

The T-7A has apparently completed high speed low altitude testing.

US Air Force’s New Trainer Plane Completes Low Altitude Tests

Boeing has released a video partly showing the successful completion of “high speed low altitude testing” of the T-7A Red Hawk, the US Air Force’s newest trainer aircraft, which is reportedly due to enter service by 2023.

In the footage, the plane is seen swiftly flying in the sky and air traffic controllers monitoring the flight as one onlooker gives a thumbs-up.

Boeing reported on its Twitter page that during the testing, the plane reached “560 mph/901 kph at just 150 feet/45.7 meters off the ground”.

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https://sputniknews.com/us/201910161077 ... ner-plane/

A video is available on the Boeing Defense Twitter page.
https://twitter.com/BoeingDefense/statu ... 0164430848

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