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Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:15 am

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/ ... st-flight/

Congratulations to Boeing and the US Navy for this milestone. Here’s hoping the project goes forward without any major hiccups. Boeing really needs this one to go smoothly.
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:24 am

superbizzy73 wrote:
https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2019/09/19/the-us-navys-new-autonomous-refueling-drone-takes-historic-first-flight/

Congratulations to Boeing and the US Navy for this milestone. Here’s hoping the project goes forward without any major hiccups. Boeing really needs this one to go smoothly.

Congratulations, this is a good achievement and while it isn't an actual prototype aircraft to be delivered under the contract it is great to see this one fly. It must certainly up the confidence the USN has that this program will move forward as planned.

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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:58 am

This is good. I wonder how far from being a prototype this is.
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:53 pm

Haven’t been able to find a definitive answer, but what exactly is the task and purpose of a refueling drone? Is it for other drones or for refueling manned aircraft? Seems a bit on the small side to refuel aircraft such as the F-35 and F/A-18
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:29 pm

Reddevil556 wrote:
Seems a bit on the small side to refuel aircraft such as the F-35 and F/A-18


There are various artist concept images out there showing the drones (both LM and Boeing) refueling fighters.

The size of the drone in the photos are deceiving as there are no crew standing next to it.

This article has photos and video of the frame with perspective.
https://defence-blog.com/news/boeing-re ... sting.html

If you look at real photos, you can see that it is a good size aircraft. It eliminates the need for fighter to fighter refueling for strike packages.
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:51 pm

And first flight video can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLV8eQWxVNo

At 12 seconds, you can see the proportion of the plane with respect to the escort truck.

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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:08 pm

Reddevil556 wrote:
Haven’t been able to find a definitive answer, but what exactly is the task and purpose of a refueling drone? Is it for other drones or for refueling manned aircraft? Seems a bit on the small side to refuel aircraft such as the F-35 and F/A-18


It is not a big tanker, it is more of a replacement for sending out another fighter like a Rhino to do buddy refueling. Its about the size of a big fighter.
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:38 pm

On the size and capacity...

Keep in mind that the contract also stipulates that the drone use the existing hose/drogue refueling pods that the F/A-18's use on buddy fueling missions. This means that there is no internal storage space taken up with the refueling hose/drogue and reel. This gives a greater volume fraction for fuel storage.
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:32 pm

In addition to what has been said above with regards to size, this drone has to be integrated into a carrier environment. Deck/hangar space is at a premium. I recall reading an article written by a member of a C-2 COD crew in which he said that it was rare that they and the C-2 actually stayed aboard the carrier after delivery. Instead, they usually flew ashore and stayed in hotels simply because it was too much hassle to maneuver and park a plane even the size of a C-2 on the carrier if not necessary.
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:27 pm

Oroka wrote:
Reddevil556 wrote:
Haven’t been able to find a definitive answer, but what exactly is the task and purpose of a refueling drone? Is it for other drones or for refueling manned aircraft? Seems a bit on the small side to refuel aircraft such as the F-35 and F/A-18


It is not a big tanker, it is more of a replacement for sending out another fighter like a Rhino to do buddy refueling. Its about the size of a big fighter.


Thanks for simple explanation, that makes sense then.
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:28 pm

Reddevil556 wrote:
Haven’t been able to find a definitive answer, but what exactly is the task and purpose of a refueling drone? Is it for other drones or for refueling manned aircraft? Seems a bit on the small side to refuel aircraft such as the F-35 and F/A-18


It is proposed for the MQ-25 to do the refueling for all carrier aircraft if Air Force tankers are not available. The RFP required each MQ-25 to deliver 15,000 lb of fuel 500 miles from the carrier with some hover time also. This is basically the full fuel load of a Super Hornet, and about 80% of a F-35.

The FA-18 has a MTOW of 66,000 lb, it looks like the MQ-25 is reusing the FA-18's gear. So it may be capable of delivering more fuel at 500 miles, I have not found any specifications of what the MQ-25 can actually do for empty weight, payload, range, or MTOW. I suspect it will have similar to the FA-18 MTOW. That is a very workable size on the carrier as well as using the same inventory of consumables and spare parts.
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:14 am

Which Boeing tanker will enter service first? They seem to be slightly ahead of schedule on this one.
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:48 pm

For many of the questions in the previous post. Go to the link below for answers.

http://www.boeing.com/defense/mq25/
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:37 pm

JayinKitsap wrote:
This is good. I wonder how far from being a prototype this is.

Didn't Northrop have something FAR FAR FAR more advanced than this flying years ago? Including carrier landings and takeoffs?

What a ridiculous waste of $$$. :(
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:57 pm

estorilm wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
This is good. I wonder how far from being a prototype this is.

Didn't Northrop have something FAR FAR FAR more advanced than this flying years ago? Including carrier landings and takeoffs?

What a ridiculous waste of $$$. :(


Northrop did have a drone that went thru carrier landings and takeoffs, but they decided to not submit for the MQ-25 RFP.

Boeing's MQ-25 has a lot in common with their submission for that earlier RFP, but they were not selected.

The previous project was for a drone fighter, they went simpler and removed stealth from the requirements. A tanker is the right stepping stone
as it is relatively simple task compared to the fighter. Besides we need manned bombers and fighters, for the pilot's glory.
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:27 pm

JayinKitsap wrote:
estorilm wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
This is good. I wonder how far from being a prototype this is.

Didn't Northrop have something FAR FAR FAR more advanced than this flying years ago? Including carrier landings and takeoffs?

What a ridiculous waste of $$$. :(


Northrop did have a drone that went thru carrier landings and takeoffs, but they decided to not submit for the MQ-25 RFP.

Boeing's MQ-25 has a lot in common with their submission for that earlier RFP, but they were not selected.

The previous project was for a drone fighter, they went simpler and removed stealth from the requirements. A tanker is the right stepping stone
as it is relatively simple task compared to the fighter. Besides we need manned bombers and fighters, for the pilot's glory.

Well, I generally agree - however from what I had read and discussed with people in the program, the Northrop X-47B was extremely far along in development (largely on Northrops own $$$) and was routinely taxiing and performing other carrier ops remotely - YEARS ahead of this project, with a more capable (and more stealthy) platform.

I understand the Boeing design doesn't have the same requirements, but damn... what a waste of money. Now we need to sit around and watch the Boeing sponge soak up as much govt $$$$$ as possible to get the most basic platform into the air again.
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:32 pm

estorilm wrote:
Well, I generally agree - however from what I had read and discussed with people in the program, the Northrop X-47B was extremely far along in development (largely on Northrops own $$$) and was routinely taxiing and performing other carrier ops remotely - YEARS ahead of this project, with a more capable (and more stealthy) platform. I understand the Boeing design doesn't have the same requirements, but damn... what a waste of money. Now we need to sit around and watch the Boeing sponge soak up as much govt $$$$$ as possible to get the most basic platform into the air again.


You have to get into the details to see if the argument is valid. It may be true that the X-47B development may be ahead of the curve, but you have to consider the detail design aspect of the plane and how it was put together. If it was designed in the same vein as the B-2 then it would have been expensive to built and operate. If you do not need stealth in a tanker, then why carry along the extra cost of such a platform. And who to say that the money spent on the X-47 was wasted. The development could have gone to the B-3 project. Remember that the Air Force is developing the B-3 as both manned and future un-manned platform.

Boeing, which did have some work on the B-2 have the benefit of commercial manufacturing infrastructure (tanker fiasco not withstanding) to build cheaper frames (in the long run). Their experience in small UAV (scan eagle etc.) also mean that they are not that far behind in that field. Add to that, Boeing has the carrier experience with the F-18. The only other manufacturer with carrier experience would have been LM.

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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Tue Sep 24, 2019 2:31 pm

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The only other manufacturer with carrier experience would have been LM.

Well modern carrier experience. The Grumman Tomcat was THE plane for awhile there. It was produced thru 1991. So NG has that heritage if not current experience (which I agree is 99% of the issue).

(Sorry I just to point that out, carry on! :profile: )

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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:50 pm

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So NG has that heritage if not current experience (which I agree is 99% of the issue)


Yeah, even at Boeing much of the tanker experienced retired leaving the new crop to work the KC-46. Heck, there are probably few B-2 engineers left in the company was well. It will be interesting to see how the B-3 fares as I suspect many of their designers may have come over from their UAV organization.

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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Tue Sep 24, 2019 9:07 pm

Tugger wrote:
bikerthai wrote:
The only other manufacturer with carrier experience would have been LM.

Well modern carrier experience. The Grumman Tomcat was THE plane for awhile there. It was produced thru 1991. So NG has that heritage if not current experience (which I agree is 99% of the issue).

(Sorry I just to point that out, carry on! :profile: )

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Thanks for saving me the post haha - Grumman was probably the king in this field back in the day, and I figure it's carried along in their heritage (both technically and within their staff / knowledge base). I just flew back from an air show in our CAF wing's Grumman Avenger Sunday and still think about the size of the gear struts, the wing fold mechanisms, etc..
 
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While this is NAVAIR driven it is really interesting to see what they are working on to make drone refueling safer and more effective.

PMA-201 demonstrates SBIR technology to advance aerial refueling

In August, successful wind tunnel testing and demonstration combining two Small Business Innovation Research (SBIR) projects in simulated flight took place at the AEDC National Full-Scale Aerodynamics Complex (NFAC) 40 by 80 wind tunnel at NASA Ames, California.

Research under SBIR topic N07-172 lead to the development of Actively Stabilized Refueling Drogue System (ASDRS) by Analytical Mechanical Associated (AMA); a system that is able to counteract disturbances on the aerial refueling drogue in flight. Integrated with the N15A-T014 effort developed by Coherent Technical Services, Inc. (CTI), the Innovative Instrumentation Package: Optical Reference System (ORS), an image processing system that can determine drogue position with Hi-Resolution video has resulted in a more stable aerial refueling platform. These began as two separate Science and Technology efforts in response to two independent needs.

The first was the need to provide a more stable aerial refueling platform so that our receiver aircraft could engage the drogue and receive fuel more safely and efficiently. The ASDRS consists of a pair of aluminium shrouds that can rotate mounted onto the exiting hose end-refueling coupling. On these shrouds are pairs of lift and roll strakes that produce the lift force to counteract the disturbance and the roll torque needed to generate power that will stored in a system of onboard super-capacitors. A pair of DC motors controlled by an onboard control law system drives the drogue control system. When the system is not in active mode, the DC motors recharge the super-capacitors.

The original Phase I effort for N07-172 was awarded to Nielsen Engineering & Research, a branch of AMA, back in 2008 to research an innovative controllable drogue refueling system. This research led to a Phase II award in 2012 followed by a PHII.5 in 2016 totaling over $2 million in SBIR funding to continue refining the technology to deliver innovative concepts for stabilization and control.

Separately, to support future readiness and reliability of the Aerial Refueling Store (ARS), an innovative instrumentation package is being developed to better monitor system performance. Part of this package is the ORS, which provides real time hose, drogue and receiver position. The ORS consists of a pair of high-resolution cameras, image processing algorithms, and data storage. The ORS is housed in the tanker system, in this case, the USN Aerial Refueling Store (ARS). ORS can provide real time drogue and receiver position relative to the tanker aircraft at up to 20 Hz. It is also serves as the perfect drogue position feedback sensor for the ASDRS.

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https://www.dcmilitary.com/tester/news/ ... f357f.html

This video shows the impact of one of the initiatives. Certainly a significant change in the movement of the basket and should make connection a whole lot easier, quicker and result in less shredded baskets which improves on station time and fewer dropped missions due to equipment failure.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Dli5c27Bv9g
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:44 am

Boeing are trying to stay focused on the primary air refuelling mission of the MQ-25 and avoid trying to tie other mission sets into the platform. Clearly doing that will help them deliver on time and it appears the USN is also very focused on getting the platform to the fleet as soon as possible.

Boeing stays focused on basics to keep unmanned tanker on track

The Boeing MQ-25A Stingray in-flight refuelling tanker is on track to achieve initial operational capability (IOC) by 2024. That is thanks to a narrow set of development goals, close integration with Naval Air Systems Command personnel and the early test use of a flyable prototype, says Boeing.

The manufacturer adds that the core of its MQ-25A development strategy is waving off distractions in order to deliver on just two goals: building an aircraft that can fly from an aircraft carrier deck and can refuel fighters. “If we focus on what’s in front of us and do it well, we are sure it opens doors,” says Dave Bujold, director of the MQ-25A programme. “If we don’t focus on what is in front of us and don’t do it well, we are sure it closes doors.”

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The MQ-25A has also been floated by the USN and others as having multiple future roles, including as an intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) platform, but Boeing says it doesn’t plan to expand the UAV’s capabilities, noting the service’s tanking priority.

In June 2019, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency announced its intention to award a sole-source contract to Boeing Phantom Works to study the capabilities of the company’s Multi-Mission Pod on the MQ-25A. Bujold reiterates the USN focus is on aerial refuelling, but points out the aircraft has some limited ISR capabilities now.

“It’s not doing anything crazy or exotic that would capture anybody’s imagination,” he says. “But it certainly is going out of line-of-sight communications with the carrier. So therefore it’s an interesting player in the carrier air wing for potential ISR use.”

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https://www.flightglobal.com/flight-int ... 78.article
 
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Ozair wrote:
Boeing are trying to stay focused on the primary air refuelling mission of the MQ-25 and avoid trying to tie other mission sets into the platform. Clearly doing that will help them deliver on time and it appears the USN is also very focused on getting the platform to the fleet as soon as possible.

Boeing stays focused on basics to keep unmanned tanker on track

The Boeing MQ-25A Stingray in-flight refuelling tanker is on track to achieve initial operational capability (IOC) by 2024. That is thanks to a narrow set of development goals, close integration with Naval Air Systems Command personnel and the early test use of a flyable prototype, says Boeing.

The manufacturer adds that the core of its MQ-25A development strategy is waving off distractions in order to deliver on just two goals: building an aircraft that can fly from an aircraft carrier deck and can refuel fighters. “If we focus on what’s in front of us and do it well, we are sure it opens doors,” says Dave Bujold, director of the MQ-25A programme. “If we don’t focus on what is in front of us and don’t do it well, we are sure it closes doors.”

...

The MQ-25A has also been floated by the USN and others as having multiple future roles, including as an intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) platform, but Boeing says it doesn’t plan to expand the UAV’s capabilities, noting the service’s tanking priority.

In June 2019, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency announced its intention to award a sole-source contract to Boeing Phantom Works to study the capabilities of the company’s Multi-Mission Pod on the MQ-25A. Bujold reiterates the USN focus is on aerial refuelling, but points out the aircraft has some limited ISR capabilities now.

“It’s not doing anything crazy or exotic that would capture anybody’s imagination,” he says. “But it certainly is going out of line-of-sight communications with the carrier. So therefore it’s an interesting player in the carrier air wing for potential ISR use.”

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https://www.flightglobal.com/flight-int ... 78.article

"Focused to stay on track" yes, that is one absolute element. And a smart and critical one.
The other equally important thing is that if the government wants any other capability it will have to pay for it. Period. (And Boeing needs the future money flows to be there.) Ain't nothing gonna be given for free. (And is it ever in military contracts?)

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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:35 pm

This is no different than what the Navy did with the P-8A program. They established a basic configuration for the early lots and implement increment improvements as the program matures.

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Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:34 am

Tugger wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Boeing are trying to stay focused on the primary air refuelling mission of the MQ-25 and avoid trying to tie other mission sets into the platform. Clearly doing that will help them deliver on time and it appears the USN is also very focused on getting the platform to the fleet as soon as possible.

Boeing stays focused on basics to keep unmanned tanker on track

The Boeing MQ-25A Stingray in-flight refuelling tanker is on track to achieve initial operational capability (IOC) by 2024. That is thanks to a narrow set of development goals, close integration with Naval Air Systems Command personnel and the early test use of a flyable prototype, says Boeing.

The manufacturer adds that the core of its MQ-25A development strategy is waving off distractions in order to deliver on just two goals: building an aircraft that can fly from an aircraft carrier deck and can refuel fighters. “If we focus on what’s in front of us and do it well, we are sure it opens doors,” says Dave Bujold, director of the MQ-25A programme. “If we don’t focus on what is in front of us and don’t do it well, we are sure it closes doors.”

...

The MQ-25A has also been floated by the USN and others as having multiple future roles, including as an intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) platform, but Boeing says it doesn’t plan to expand the UAV’s capabilities, noting the service’s tanking priority.

In June 2019, the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency announced its intention to award a sole-source contract to Boeing Phantom Works to study the capabilities of the company’s Multi-Mission Pod on the MQ-25A. Bujold reiterates the USN focus is on aerial refuelling, but points out the aircraft has some limited ISR capabilities now.

“It’s not doing anything crazy or exotic that would capture anybody’s imagination,” he says. “But it certainly is going out of line-of-sight communications with the carrier. So therefore it’s an interesting player in the carrier air wing for potential ISR use.”

...

https://www.flightglobal.com/flight-int ... 78.article

"Focused to stay on track" yes, that is one absolute element. And a smart and critical one.
The other equally important thing is that if the government wants any other capability it will have to pay for it. Period. (And Boeing needs the future money flows to be there.) Ain't nothing gonna be given for free. (And is it ever in military contracts?)

Tugg


Also, so important to get the basics done right. Critical to have a reliable, safe, and efficient landing, movement, on deck fueling, and launch system that the crew and command like (hopefully love). Just as critical is the aerial refueling set up. There will already be secure data to it, for now just ensure enough available bandwidth for some future and assign some spaces and power requirements of possible sensor packages.

If they do it right they might just own the carrier drone market. If they do it wrong - likely gone.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:36 pm

A ray of sunshine for Boeing right now... The USN orders an additional three aircraft for the test phase, perhaps a good sign that the USN is happy with the progression of the build and test phase. Depending on how soon Boeing can deliver them it may also be an opportunity to accelerate the test phase.

US Navy awards Boeing $84.7m for three more MQ-25A unmanned refuelling tankers

The US Navy (USN) has awarded Boeing $84.7 million for three additional MQ-25A Stingray unmanned in-flight refuelling tankers.

The unmanned air vehicles (UAV) are expected to be complete by August 2024, says the Department of Defense in a notice online on 2 April.

The three additional “demonstration test articles” bring the total number of aircraft Boeing is manufacturing in the MQ-25A programme to seven. The award was an option on the original four-aircraft contract, worth $805 million, which was awarded to Boeing in August 2018.

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https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing ... 17.article
 
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Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:29 am

The availability of US Carriers to have the required hardware installed and conduct testing of the MQ-25 could seriously impact the schedule for the aircraft and force the program to remain in the dev phase for far longer. It is one of those critical dependencies defence projects have to deal with and in this case may end up costing the USN given the fixed price nature of the contract.

If the US Navy isn’t careful, its new unmanned tanker drone could face a 3-year delay

The US Navy could face a three-year delay in testing of the MQ-25 Stingray carrier-based tanking drone if it doesn’t get its designated test ships through the required modernizations on time, a possibility the Navy said was “remote.”

Two carriers — Carl Vinson and George H.W. Bush — have limited windows to complete the installation of unmanned aircraft control stations, and if operational commitments intervene it could create significant issues for the program, according to Navy officials and a government watchdog report.

“Program officials stated that, among other things, the Navy’s potential inability to maintain its schedule commitments could require modifications to the contract that would impact the fixed-price terms,” the Government Accountability Office reported. “Specifically, the Navy faces limited flexibility to install MQ-25 control centers on aircraft carriers.

“If the Navy misses any of its planned installation windows, the program would have to extend MQ-25 development testing by up to 3 years. According to officials, such a delay could necessitate a delay to initial capability and result in a cost increase.”

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https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/ ... ear-delay/

Installing anything new on an in service naval vessel is never an easy procedural task so I can see why there would be issues with this, especially given the current commitments the carrier fleet has.
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:16 pm

Based upon past experience, its not hard to envisage a protracted development and a final product that falls short of requirements. If Boeing couldn't deliver the far less ambitious KC-46 and MAX, what is the probability of success for this program?
 
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Re: Boeing MQ-25 flies for the first time

Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:33 pm

SteelChair wrote:
If Boeing couldn't deliver the far less ambitious KC-46 and MAX, what is the probability of success for this program?


Boeing is not a monolith. And while the KC-46 is a military derivative, the initial delays were a result of decisions from the commercial side. The vision problem is one that the military side owns of which it seems they were lacking in experience.

With the drone, Boeing is much more experienced. While not as versed as NG, they do have the highly successful Scan Eagle line, along with the new autonomous sub.

Just hope that with fewer cooks in this kitchen, they will be better at putting out a better dish.

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Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos