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JFK/SWF Aircraft Visitors for UN General Assembly

Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:51 pm

New York City will be hosting the UN General assembly this year with high level debate beginning on Tuesday September 24th. There will be representatives from 193 nations and President Trump is scheduled to speak on the morning of the 24th.

With that many different nations attending, what type of VIP aircraft should we expect to see in the New York area next week? I remember last time JFK and SWF had a lot of very unique visitors.

-Will Iran or Saudi Arabia bring a 747SP?
-I recall there being an A340-500 but I can’t remember who
-The Congolese Government had a 707 in Boeing colors and I’m hoping that shows up too :)
 
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Re: JFK/SWF Aircraft Visitors for UN General Assembly

Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:06 pm

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Re: JFK/SWF Aircraft Visitors for UN General Assembly

Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:18 pm

chunhimlai wrote:
*in the morning


IMU Iran will not attend as Trump has denied Visa to the relevant Iran officials.

UN headquarters need to be elsewhere.
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Re: JFK/SWF Aircraft Visitors for UN General Assembly

Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:18 pm

The U.S. “just” approved Visa’s for some of the Iranian Delegation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com ... 216ebe1f17

Here’s the quote from the article in case you are required to login to The Financial Times...

“The Trump administration has issued visas to Iranian president Hassan Rouhani and the country’s foreign minister to attend the UN General Assembly next week in New York, as US officials debate how to respond to the alleged Iranian attack last weekend on oil facilities in Saudi Arabia.

US and Iranian officials confirmed Mr Rouhani and Mohammad Javad Zarif, the foreign minister, received visas to attend the UN event. But the US refused visas for some members of the Iranian delegation that had planned to travel to New York, according to one person familiar with the decision.

The Trump administration last provided Mr Zarif with a visa to travel to New York in July. On that occasion, it also refused to issue a visa to some of his bodyguards because of alleged connections to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, which are under US sanctions.”
 
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Re: JFK/SWF Aircraft Visitors for UN General Assembly

Thu Sep 19, 2019 9:49 pm

WIederling wrote:
chunhimlai wrote:
*in the morning


IMU Iran will not attend as Trump has denied Visa to the relevant Iran officials.

UN headquarters need to be elsewhere.


Perhaps a location more collegial to the UN politics—Tehran, Pyongyang or Beijing would do nicely. Plus removing would end the lawbreaking leeches from hogging parking in NYC.

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UN General Assembly September 2019 News and Discussion Thread

Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:50 am

UN week for 2019 starting soon, I saw many government airplanes from all over the world coming to JFK and after little while they take off to SWF. Why not go direct to SWF? It is an international airport and had the capability to accommodate large aircrafts!
Plus , all head of state & governments land in JFK and not EWR? Any reason why ?
Kuwait, Qatar 747-8BBJ
Qatar, Egypt A342
And many others on the way.
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Re: UN week why always JFK

Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:56 am

Prestige would be one of the obvious points. Country leaders like to travel in style, make grand entrances, all that. JFK sounds like just the airport to make a grand entrance, and the others -- apparently not.
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Re: UN week why always JFK

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:15 pm

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Prestige would be one of the obvious points. Country leaders like to travel in style, make grand entrances, all that. JFK sounds like just the airport to make a grand entrance, and the others -- apparently not.

Incorrect, main reason for JFK is direct access to Manhattan via Grand Central Parkway/I-495 to 59th street bridge. Its easier to manage security wise, also with all the street closures in Manhattan and access provided to hotels on the east side
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:17 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
Prestige would be one of the obvious points. Country leaders like to travel in style, make grand entrances, all that. JFK sounds like just the airport to make a grand entrance, and the others -- apparently not.


Also country leaders have no choice in this matter, the organization comes from SS and each countries Protocol.
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Re: UN week why always JFK

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:21 pm

It may have with security as well. For secret service details its ptobably a lot easier to transport the VIPs from jfk to midtown than it is from SFW or other places. I have recently found out that when heads of state are transported through tunnels the tunnels have to be closed to other traffic while the VIPs are in the tunnels. Which probably why EWR is not ised as much since tunnels are the predominant way of getting from ewr to midtown. From jfk u have many bridges and many options that doesnt require shutting down tunnels.
 
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Re: UN week why always JFK

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:41 pm

UAEflyer wrote:
UN week for 2019 starting soon, I saw many government airplanes from all over the world coming to JFK and after little while they take off to SWF. Why not go direct to SWF? It is an international airport and had the capability to accommodate large aircrafts!
Plus , all head of state & governments land in JFK and not EWR? Any reason why ?
Kuwait, Qatar 747-8BBJ
Qatar, Egypt A342
And many others on the way.

They all go to JFK because it's easier to provide additional security for one airport instead two or three or more. A lot of the aircraft are stored elsewhere while the Assembly is taking place (many fly to IAD due to ample parking), so JFK is simply a drop-off point. It has convenient access to Manhattan, and the capable facilities to handle the aircraft. From a logistical standpoint, JFK is the only decent option. The agencies providing security are already stretched thin by having to secure such a large geographical area (NYPD, DSS, ATF, FBI, DHS, maybe some logistical support from USSS, etc.), so adding more airports would complicate the process significantly. They pretty much have this annual event down to a science, so I can guarantee that if things are done a certain way, there's a pretty good reason for it.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:43 pm

N47 wrote:
It may have with security as well. For secret service details its ptobably a lot easier to transport the VIPs from jfk to midtown than it is from SFW or other places. I have recently found out that when heads of state are transported through tunnels the tunnels have to be closed to other traffic while the VIPs are in the tunnels. Which probably why EWR is not ised as much since tunnels are the predominant way of getting from ewr to midtown. From jfk u have many bridges and many options that doesnt require shutting down tunnels.


EWR is also severely lacking in ramp space to accommodate all of those aircraft. They can barely manage the remote parking requirements from the air carriers today.
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Re: UN week why always JFK

Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:12 pm

Because even leaders from from tiny countries on the other side of the world know enough not to land in Jersey. :)

Seriously though...security apparatus is set up at JFK. Always has been. Near the old TWA Hangar area
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:15 pm

Yes as others have said the reason is for security. The PAPD are responsible for airport security and then the NYPD and the SS are tasked with escorting each an every head of state from the airport to around the city for the meetings for the entire week. SWF is too far from NYC for this and the city has more resources to deal with this type of thing.
 
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Re: UN week why always JFK

Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:06 pm

I wonder if the visa question can be a motivation too. C-2 visas that are specially designed for diplomats to the UN headquarter are restricted to a 25 miles radius around Colombus Circle. That would rule out SWF I guess.
I don't know what visa state leaders are using for UN general assembly but for diplomatic personnel, it seems to be the one they are using.
 
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Re: JFK/SWF Aircraft Visitors for UN General Assembly

Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:29 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
WIederling wrote:
chunhimlai wrote:
*in the morning

IMU Iran will not attend as Trump has denied Visa to the relevant Iran officials.
UN headquarters need to be elsewhere.

Perhaps a location more collegial to the UN politics—Tehran, Pyongyang or Beijing would do nicely. Plus removing would end the lawbreaking leeches from hogging parking in NYC.

The UN are in NYC only because after WWII noone else had the money nor the military power to impose it elsewhere.
That is changing, Germany wants a seat in the Security Council (SC), they may get it with Brexit and perhaps Scotland moving on, but one must realize that should the UN headquarters move anywhere else, it will have to be in one of the SC capitals.
For political reasons, Moscow & Beijing are non-starters, though with China's growth & might in the future one never knows.
I doubt very much Washington will let it go to any of London or European Paris or Frankfurt/Berlin (hypothetical).
So realistically, the UN are going nowhere

But should that happen, the 4 western powers will not let it go outside of their part of the world. The least worst places I can think of must thus be western & cosy with them, but not in the US & not in the EU : Oslo perhaps ? Geneva ? Saint Helena ?
Better still, and midway between both economic powers : Reykjavik ? Gorbachov & Reagan showed the way.
The irony is that the UN capital should be well placed on the map, NYC is far from everywhere.
Aren't the superconnector's hubs of Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Qatar close to some 80% of the world population in 7h flight max ?
 
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Re: UN General Assembly September 2019 News and Discussion Thread

Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:24 pm

Ethiopia’s prime minister went humble this time around and flew into EWR on a B738 via Madrid. The aircraft is on its way back home as we speak, mid Atlantic.
 
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Re: UN General Assembly September 2019 News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:01 am

A few countries, like Niger, went into Newark. However, this year, since the FedEx ramp is unavailable, all of the planes are going to the Cargolux area to deboard. As for planespotting, it was one madhouse yesterday with the Swaziland A343 being switched to 22R (someone had a radio with ATC) and everyone got into cars to head to a 22R spot (the typical spot is for 22L). Some countries like Chad chartered aircraft (Chad chartered 2-DEER, which I photographed).

As for getting the UN out of NYC...well, that's where losing the House has thrown a wrench in that, as ratified treaties are considered law in the USA and a new law is needed to undo existing laws.

As for Ethiopia, now that JFK is an outstation, I would have expected them to travel commercial. After dark on Saturday night, the king of the Netherlands flew himself in.

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