User avatar
kc135topboom
Topic Author
Posts: 11118
Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:26 am

Bone to get hypersonic weapons

Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:08 pm

This is an interesting addition to the B-1B.

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/air-force- ... ic-weapons
 
DigitalSea
Posts: 140
Joined: Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:28 pm

Re: Bone to get hypersonic weapons

Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:43 pm

I wonder if American & Russian bombers will put a single hypersonic missile on their respective rotary launcher and fiddle through it like it's Russian Roulette for standard airspace incursion interceptions lol.
 
Spar
Posts: 487
Joined: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:37 pm

Re: Bone to get hypersonic weapons

Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:02 pm

This strikes me as more than absurd. The B1 is obsolete and should be retired. And after all don't we still put our faith in that grand overkill policy called MAD (mutual assurred destruction) anyway? It seems that in the absence of adult supervision the DOD and Air force planners are trying to add a fourth leg to the triad while at the same time pursuing the hopeless objective of anti ballistic missile defense. It amounts to absolutely nothing other than welfare for aerospace companies and their stockholders. Meanwhile the country is being torn apart from within by myriad economic problems.

Are we doing all this to prevent China from having the South China Sea islands, which they already have and will always have in the future? Or are we attempting to prevent Russian aggression which the current political faction in power seems perfectly OK with? Nope, back to welfare for Lockmart.
 
Ozair
Posts: 4264
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:38 am

Re: Bone to get hypersonic weapons

Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:03 pm

kc135topboom wrote:
This is an interesting addition to the B-1B.

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/air-force- ... ic-weapons


Maybe addition. At this point in time how long the B-1B serves is open. Just like the F-15C and KC-10 the B-1B is the low hanging fruit for saving money by removing wholesale capabilities. Ironically all the future threat studies are identifying long range bomber platforms as high value but the B-1B may not even be able to justify its existence within that context. Given the state of the B-1B fleet it is certainly possible it won’t make another 5 years.

USAF may retire B-1s to free funds for B-21 Raider

The US Air Force (USAF) may retire a portion of its Boeing B-1B Lancer fleet in order to repurpose overhaul dollars for the Northrop Grumman B-21 Raider, re-engining of the Boeing B-52 and “long-range strategic weapons.”

“The story of the B-1 is that we designed an aircraft to fly low altitude, high-speed, supersonic to penetrate enemy defences and take out targets,” says David Goldfein, chief of the staff of the USAF.

“For the last 18 years, we've flown it at medium altitude, very slow, wings forward. We flew the B-1 in the least optimal configuration for all these years. And, the result of that is we put stresses on the aircraft that we did not anticipate. When it goes into depot we're seeing significant structural issues with the B-1.”

...

“The discussion we're having is there are some number of B-1s that would be so cost prohibitive to be able to get back to a code one status and that we should retire those,” says Goldfein. “Then, flow that money into doing some key things within the bomber portfolio.”

...

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... er-460915/
 
DigitalSea
Posts: 140
Joined: Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:28 pm

Re: Bone to get hypersonic weapons

Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:24 pm

Spar wrote:
This strikes me as more than absurd. The B1 is obsolete and should be retired. And after all don't we still put our faith in that grand overkill policy called MAD (mutual assurred destruction) anyway? It seems that in the absence of adult supervision the DOD and Air force planners are trying to add a fourth leg to the triad while at the same time pursuing the hopeless objective of anti ballistic missile defense. It amounts to absolutely nothing other than welfare for aerospace companies and their stockholders. Meanwhile the country is being torn apart from within by myriad economic problems.

Are we doing all this to prevent China from having the South China Sea islands, which they already have and will always have in the future? Or are we attempting to prevent Russian aggression which the current political faction in power seems perfectly OK with? Nope, back to welfare for Lockmart.


There wasn't one reference to these missiles being nuclear in the article (that I could find).
 
Spar
Posts: 487
Joined: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:37 pm

Re: Bone to get hypersonic weapons

Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:41 am

DigitalSea wrote:
There wasn't one reference to these missiles being nuclear in the article (that I could find).

You can play word games if you chose, but targeted nations know full well that hypersonic missiles are intended for first strike use.
 
Ozair
Posts: 4264
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:38 am

Re: Bone to get hypersonic weapons

Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:59 am

Spar wrote:
DigitalSea wrote:
There wasn't one reference to these missiles being nuclear in the article (that I could find).

You can play word games if you chose, but targeted nations know full well that hypersonic missiles are intended for first strike use.

First strike is just one of numerous scenarios that hypersonic missiles would be useful for. The aircraft launched hypersonic missiles aren’t travelling faster than ICMBs, or many IRBMs or SRBMs, and can still be tracked, and engaged, with exiting systems.

An excellent mission type for hypersonics would be time sensitive targets which can appear for fleeting periods across a battlespace. The fast transit time for these weapons would allow those targets to be engaged quicker, with more chance of success or before the target disappears.
 
Spar
Posts: 487
Joined: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:37 pm

Re: Bone to get hypersonic weapons

Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:33 am

Ozair wrote:
An excellent mission type for hypersonics would be time sensitive targets which can appear for fleeting periods across a battlespace. The fast transit time for these weapons would allow those targets to be engaged quicker, with more chance of success or before the target disappears.


Sure Ozair, except we already have the world's most advanced fighter plane, and a thousand other fighter planes that are the equal of the best of everybody else's. We have 22 aircraft carriers 11 of them are actually carrier groups. We have B-52s, B1's B 2's and B21's coming online. We have ICBMs, thousands of cruise missiles in inventory and fleets of the world's most advanced drones with a global command and control network for them. We have two unmatched sub fleets, one attack subs the other boomers. We have hundreds of satellites of every type imaginable and at least one that is in the category of unimaginable. We have an anti satellite network that probably doesn't work, but the thought is there. We have many hundreds of main battle tanks that the army doesn't even want. And we have black programs that at least I don't even know about.

We have all that and we also have a history of losing wars because we don't know what the fuck we are doing.

I think it's time for the people in the pentagon to stop snorting crank or whatever they're on and take a look at our real needs.
We don't need hypersonic missiles and they are threatening to everyone else.
 
Ozair
Posts: 4264
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:38 am

Re: Bone to get hypersonic weapons

Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:31 am

Spar wrote:
I think it's time for the people in the pentagon to stop snorting crank or whatever they're on and take a look at our real needs.
We don't need hypersonic missiles and they are threatening to everyone else.

It is worth reading the following, https://fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/R45811.pdf which is a good review of what the current plans, funding and determined requirements are for hypersonics for the US and takes a very neutral stance.

While some sit in your position of scepticism I believe the US, and partners, need to develop these weapons to maintain parity with potential adversaries and counter improving A2AD strategies for likely threat environments. The tactical benefits of using hypersonics is clear and perhaps enables a force structure that is less dependent on current aging platforms. What we know is China and Russia are developing these systems, and in the Russian case claim to now have an operational capability. For what is comparatively a small investment the benefits for me out way the cost.
 
DigitalSea
Posts: 140
Joined: Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:28 pm

Re: Bone to get hypersonic weapons

Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:24 am

Spar wrote:
Sure Ozair, except we already have the world's most advanced fighter plane, and a thousand other fighter planes that are the equal of the best of everybody else's. We have 22 aircraft carriers 11 of them are actually carrier groups. We have B-52s, B1's B 2's and B21's coming online. We have ICBMs, thousands of cruise missiles in inventory and fleets of the world's most advanced drones with a global command and control network for them. We have two unmatched sub fleets, one attack subs the other boomers. We have hundreds of satellites of every type imaginable and at least one that is in the category of unimaginable. We have an anti satellite network that probably doesn't work, but the thought is there. We have many hundreds of main battle tanks that the army doesn't even want. And we have black programs that at least I don't even know about.

We have all that and we also have a history of losing wars because we don't know what the fuck we are doing.

I think it's time for the people in the pentagon to stop snorting crank or whatever they're on and take a look at our real needs.
We don't need hypersonic missiles and they are threatening to everyone else.


The need to develop such a large military is because it acts as a major deterrent against anything that threatens the United States-led world order. The post Cold War belief that we defeated all of our formidable adversaries and that it's time to scale down our military is not appropriate anymore. The recent rise of China is an example of what can happen when we let our guard down. Now because of their economic inter-connectivity with the world and their "China 2050" plan to secede the United States as the lead hegemonic power in the world, we have to dial back down and engage in an arms race so that they cannot gain an upper hand against the West (if the US can afford it).

So while we never use the Boomers, ICBMs, and countless other platforms and systems like they were meant to be used, they still serve a purpose. You CAN'T put a price on global peace and stability.

The United States of America is the only country to thank for where the world is today, for better or for worse. I cannot imagine a world led by Nazi Germany, the USSR, or Empire of Japan. And it's high time the world remembers that as Russian, China, Iran, and other detractors start testing America's limits as it rebuilds its military might. If you think our defense budget was expensive before, it's about to get about to get 10 feet higher.
 
Max Q
Posts: 7699
Joined: Wed May 09, 2001 12:40 pm

Re: Bone to get hypersonic weapons

Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:02 am

Spar wrote:
This strikes me as more than absurd. The B1 is obsolete and should be retired. And after all don't we still put our faith in that grand overkill policy called MAD (mutual assurred destruction) anyway? It seems that in the absence of adult supervision the DOD and Air force planners are trying to add a fourth leg to the triad while at the same time pursuing the hopeless objective of anti ballistic missile defense. It amounts to absolutely nothing other than welfare for aerospace companies and their stockholders. Meanwhile the country is being torn apart from within by myriad economic problems.

Are we doing all this to prevent China from having the South China Sea islands, which they already have and will always have in the future? Or are we attempting to prevent Russian aggression which the current political faction in power seems perfectly OK with? Nope, back to welfare for Lockmart.



If the B-1 is obsolete then what is the B52 ?!


I don’t think any aircraft is obsolete if you keep making the investment to ensure it’s relevant and can make a worthwhile contribution for its mission


From what I understand the B-1 is unparalleled in its ability to loiter in the target area for extended periods then deploy enormous quantities of precision weapons rapidly with its very high speed capability


It may be the ultimate close support aircraft, a totally different mission than what it was designed for but it works and works well
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.


Guns and the love of them by a loud minority are a malignant and deadly cancer inflicted on American society

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: 737MAX7 and 28 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos