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First UK P-8A delivery

Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:11 pm

Just a note to commemorate the first P-8A delivery for the UK.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-no ... d-50233941

An RAF crew will soon begin training in the use of the aircraft at Naval Air Station Jacksonville in Florida before it is flown to Lossiemouth next year.


The second frame will follow in two to three months while the 3rd and 4th frames will not be delivered for a while yet. The first two frames were shifted to earlier production slot through negotiation with the USN. That explains the large gap between the 2nd and 3rd frames.

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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:23 pm

bikerthai wrote:
Just a note to commemorate the first P-8A delivery for the UK.


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-no ... d-50233941

An RAF crew will soon begin training in the use of the aircraft at Naval Air Station Jacksonville in Florida before it is flown to Lossiemouth next year.


The second frame will follow in two to three months while the 3rd and 4th frames will not be delivered for a while yet. The first two frames were shifted to earlier production slot through negotiation with the USN. That explains the large gap between the 2nd and 3rd frames.

bt


The RAF has released the delivery schedule for the P-8. Interestingly the first few aircraft will operate out of Kinloss airfield while the runway at Lossiemouth is resurfaced.

UK lays out P-8 delivery schedule

The UK Ministry of Defence has revealed the delivery schedule for its P-8A MRA1 maritime patrol aircraft in a Freedom of Information Act release to Jane's on 5 December.

According to the schedule, the first four aircraft will be handed over to the Royal Air Force (RAF) at US Naval Air Station (NAS) Jacksonville in Florida, the main US Navy P-8 training and logistics base. The last five UK aircraft will be delivered from Boeing's Seattle assembly facility direct to RAF Lossiemouth.

Three UK P-8s will have to operate from a temporary base until runway repairs at their main operating base are complete in late 2020.

It had previously been announced that only the first two Poseidons would operate from the army-controlled Kinloss airfield in Moray while resurfacing work is carried out to reinforce the main runway at nearby RAF Lossiemouth.

The first UK P-8 was handed over to the RAF in October and is scheduled to fly to Kinloss in March or early April 2020. The second aircraft will fly to Kinloss at around the same time and the third aircraft will follow it to this airfield by the end of October.

It is hoped that runway resurfacing work at RAF Lossiemouth will have progressed enough for the fourth aircraft to be flown to the airbase, via NAS Jacksonville, by the end of 2020.

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https://www.janes.com/article/93075/uk- ... y-schedule
 
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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:43 pm

]Just breaking.

UK first P-8A arrived in Scotland.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... ng-muscle/
Flown by a crew from the RAF’s CXX Squadron, the first of nine P-8A's, ordered by the British in 2016 at a cost of £3 billion ($3.9 billion), arrived pretty much on cue at the Kinloss base that will be its temporary home until infrastructure and other work at its permanent base at Lossiemouth is completed later this year.


Airplane #2 should be following soon.


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PS: BBC site has better coverage:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-no ... d-51356381
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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:32 pm

bikerthai wrote:
]Just breaking.

UK first P-8A arrived in Scotland.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... ng-muscle/
Flown by a crew from the RAF’s CXX Squadron, the first of nine P-8A's, ordered by the British in 2016 at a cost of £3 billion ($3.9 billion), arrived pretty much on cue at the Kinloss base that will be its temporary home until infrastructure and other work at its permanent base at Lossiemouth is completed later this year.


Airplane #2 should be following soon.


bt

PS: BBC site has better coverage:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-no ... d-51356381

Interesting, that is at least a month earlier than Janes had suggested in the article I posted in December. Hopefully that means the project is running on or even ahead of schedule, a rare sight these days...
 
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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:38 pm

Ozair wrote:
Interesting, that is at least a month earlier than Janes had suggested in the article I posted in December.


Jane probably posted the contractual delivery dates. US Navy frames have been consistently been delivered about one month ahead of contractual dates. Exceptions would be year end shenanigans and when the US Gov want to make their displeasure known because of some other issues. :sly:

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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:41 pm

I wonder if the first action of the British P-8A will be maritime surveillance in the Fourth Cod War? The UK Martime Management Organisation is not only ramping up their surface forces in anticipation of invading EU trawlers post-Brexit but "is also considering whether to take on two extra surveillance aircraft to help cover the maritime area."
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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:15 pm

The UK have received their second P-8. Interesting that they have moved away from the overland ISR being a primary mission and I expect, as Middle Eastern duties draw down, that they are keenly focused on building up proficiency in that core maritime mission set.

Second RAF Poseidon arrives in UK

The second of nine Boeing P-8A Poseidon MRA1 maritime multimission aircraft (MMA) for the Royal Air Force (RAF) arrived in the United Kingdom on 13 March.

Aircraft ZP802, City of Elgin, flew into Kinloss Barracks (formerly RAF Kinloss) in Scotland some six weeks after the first aircraft, ZP801 Pride of Moray, arrived from the United States on 4 February.

Both these aircraft and the remaining seven to be delivered will be operated from RAF Lossiemouth a short distance away from Kinloss Barracks, when construction of new facilities is to be completed later in the year. Operations are set to commence in early Q4 2020, with the type being flown by 120 Squadron and 201 Squadron, with 54 Squadron serving as the Operational Conversion Unit (OCU).

Delivery of the first Poseidon MRA1s marks a major milestone in the reconstitution of the UK's airborne maritime patrol capability that was put on hiatus in 2010 with the retirement of the BAE Systems Nimrod MR2 and the cancellation of its Nimrod MRA4 replacement.

Once fully operational, the Poseidons will assume responsibility for protecting the Royal Navy's two new Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers, as well as undertaking their baseline maritime patrol aircraft (MPA) and anti-submarine warfare (ASW) roles. While it was originally intended that the platforms should have an overland surveillance capability, an RAF officer recently told Jane's that this will not now be the case, due to the relatively few number of aircraft being procured and their commitment to their core carrier protection/MPA and ASW tasks.

The RAF's P-8As will be at the same standard as the aircraft fielded by the US Navy (USN) and all other export nations except India, which operates its own P-8I Neptune configuration (the most notable difference being the inclusion on the P-8I of a Magnetic Anomaly Detector [MAD] boom in place of the P-8A's Multi-Static Active Coherent [MAC] acoustic detection system for submarines).

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https://www.janes.com/article/94874/sec ... ives-in-uk
 
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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:59 am

Ozair wrote:
that they have moved away from the overland ISR being a primary mission and I expect, as Middle Eastern duties draw down, that they are keenly


Maybe not. The UK birds will have the same configuration as the US birds. So at some point in the future when the US finish developing the AAS capabilities, the option will be there for purchase.

I understand the RAAF will be able to purchase this capability also if they wish.

Boeing is also developing their own version in the multimission pod for export. Not sure if it has ground survailance capabilities, but definitely lots of snooping capabilities.

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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:09 am

bikerthai wrote:
Ozair wrote:
that they have moved away from the overland ISR being a primary mission and I expect, as Middle Eastern duties draw down, that they are keenly


Maybe not. The UK birds will have the same configuration as the US birds. So at some point in the future when the US finish developing the AAS capabilities, the option will be there for purchase.

I understand the RAAF will be able to purchase this capability also if they wish.

Boeing is also developing their own version in the multimission pod for export. Not sure if it has ground survailance capabilities, but definitely lots of snooping capabilities.

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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:58 am

True, if the UK is following the US lead in disengaging from Afganistan, then there is no need to focus on land ISR.

But buying the P-8A gives them he option to bring it back in to focus in the future.

Personally I felt that when the US canceled the JSTAR recapitalization, the P-8A became the only game in town for Air Forces that do not have the luxury of satellites and drone fleets and grand networking infrastructure.

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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:51 pm

Congratulations to the RAF. Seems a bit early to be declaring IOC when the RAF only has two aircraft but they state they are using them and have sufficient personnel to crew and maintain them so I guess ready to go. I expect the large numbers of RAF posted to US units over the last few years has significantly smoothed the transition.

UK declares IOC for Poseidon MMA

The UK declared initial operating capability (IOC) for its Boeing P-8A Poseidon MRA1 maritime multimission aircraft (MMA) on 3 April.

With the first two of nine aircraft now located in Scotland, the Royal Air Force (RAF) announced that it is "now patrolling the seas, hunting hostile submarines, keeping the UK safe".

"We've just declared an initial operating capability for our Poseidon aircraft, on time on 1 April. We've still got a long way to go with introducing this next-generation capability into service, but Poseidon is a game-changer, not just for hunting submarines but for a range of other roles from anti-ship warfare, maritime reconnaissance, and long-range search and rescue tasks," Air Commodore Richard Barrow, Poseidon Senior Responsible Owner, was quoted by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) as saying.

Aircraft ZP801 Pride of Moray and ZP802 City of Elgin arrived at Kinloss Barracks on 4 February and 13 March respectively. Both of these aircraft and the remaining seven to be delivered will be operated from RAF Lossiemouth, a short distance away from Kinloss, when construction of new facilities is to be completed later in the year. Operations are set to commence during the fourth quarter, with the type being flown by 120 Squadron and 201 Squadron (to be stood-up later this year), with 54 Squadron serving as the training and Operational Conversion Unit (OCU).

The long-awaited arrival of the first RAF Poseidon does not just mark a major milestone for the UK, but also for NATO. In particular, the alliance is looking to use its latest MMA to more effectively monitor the GIUK-Gap that runs between Greenland, Iceland, and the UK, following a dramatic increase in Russian submarine activity in the North Atlantic over recent years.

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https://www.janes.com/article/95340/uk- ... seidon-mma
 
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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:10 pm

This is one of the reason why the UK insisted in getting the P-8A over any other options. They can close that capability gap quickly.

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Re: First UK P-8A delivery

Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:19 pm

Ozair wrote:
Congratulations to the RAF. Seems a bit early to be declaring IOC when the RAF only has two aircraft but they state they are using them and have sufficient personnel to crew and maintain them so I guess ready to go. I expect the large numbers of RAF posted to US units over the last few years has significantly smoothed the transition.

UK declares IOC for Poseidon MMA

The UK declared initial operating capability (IOC) for its Boeing P-8A Poseidon MRA1 maritime multimission aircraft (MMA) on 3 April.

With the first two of nine aircraft now located in Scotland, the Royal Air Force (RAF) announced that it is "now patrolling the seas, hunting hostile submarines, keeping the UK safe".

"We've just declared an initial operating capability for our Poseidon aircraft, on time on 1 April. We've still got a long way to go with introducing this next-generation capability into service, but Poseidon is a game-changer, not just for hunting submarines but for a range of other roles from anti-ship warfare, maritime reconnaissance, and long-range search and rescue tasks," Air Commodore Richard Barrow, Poseidon Senior Responsible Owner, was quoted by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) as saying.

Aircraft ZP801 Pride of Moray and ZP802 City of Elgin arrived at Kinloss Barracks on 4 February and 13 March respectively. Both of these aircraft and the remaining seven to be delivered will be operated from RAF Lossiemouth, a short distance away from Kinloss, when construction of new facilities is to be completed later in the year. Operations are set to commence during the fourth quarter, with the type being flown by 120 Squadron and 201 Squadron (to be stood-up later this year), with 54 Squadron serving as the training and Operational Conversion Unit (OCU).

The long-awaited arrival of the first RAF Poseidon does not just mark a major milestone for the UK, but also for NATO. In particular, the alliance is looking to use its latest MMA to more effectively monitor the GIUK-Gap that runs between Greenland, Iceland, and the UK, following a dramatic increase in Russian submarine activity in the North Atlantic over recent years.

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https://www.janes.com/article/95340/uk- ... seidon-mma

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