WingedVictory
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NL KDC-10 Transferred to Omega Air

Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:20 am

According to a recent Linkedin posting (see link below), the Dutch Air Force has apparently handed over one of its KDC-10 aircraft to Omega Air Refueling Services last week. This is a noteworthy event, as it expands the operational AAR capabilities of Omega's fleet. The likely first customer for a commercially-sourced AAR service will be the US Transportation Command, which is actively preparing an RFP solicitation for issuance. While this hybrid services model has been considered by the US DoD for over a decade, it now appears that the combined O&S costs to support the geriatric KC-135 fleet and the on-going procurement troubles of the KC-46A have finally forced the USTRANSCOM to act on a commercial AAR services solution. Who else will step forward in the coming months? Likely, there will be other new entrant and larger defense industry providers to begin emerging with their offerings.

https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/content/?keywords=KDC-10&origin=SWITCH_SEARCH_VERTICAL
 
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Re: NL KDC-10 Transferred to Omega Air

Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:34 am

WingedVictory wrote:
According to a recent Linkedin posting (see link below), the Dutch Air Force has apparently handed over one of its KDC-10 aircraft to Omega Air Refueling Services last week. This is a noteworthy event, as it expands the operational AAR capabilities of Omega's fleet. The likely first customer for a commercially-sourced AAR service will be the US Transportation Command, which is actively preparing an RFP solicitation for issuance. While this hybrid services model has been considered by the US DoD for over a decade, it now appears that the combined O&S costs to support the geriatric KC-135 fleet and the on-going procurement troubles of the KC-46A have finally forced the USTRANSCOM to act on a commercial AAR services solution. Who else will step forward in the coming months? Likely, there will be other new entrant and larger defense industry providers to begin emerging with their offerings.

https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/content/?keywords=KDC-10&origin=SWITCH_SEARCH_VERTICAL

That would be the first boom equipped Omega tanker right?

I agree this is the first step but Omega will still be missing enough boom equipped tankers to make any contract viable. The solution for Omega is probably the USAF divesting the KC-10s, at which point they would be ripe for Omega to swoop in and get the best 20. I expect a number of USAF personnel retirements to happen at the same time and provide Omega the staff necessary to fly and maintain the aircraft. Until that point, I don't see anyone buying a fleet of brand new boom equipped tankers to fulfil the expected contract nor even going though a conversion process when it is clear the USAF will remove the KC-10s within the next few years.

An alternate source is the few KC-135s that are being replaced by KC-30s in the next few years, such as the from the Singaporean and French Air Forces. Does anyone know what happened to the recently retired Singaporean KC-135Rs? Is there a plan for the French aircraft and how many hours and what condition are those aircraft in?
 
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Re: NL KDC-10 Transferred to Omega Air

Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:15 pm

It would be real hard to civilianize the KC-135s. Should be impossible, in fact.
 
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Re: NL KDC-10 Transferred to Omega Air

Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:42 pm

Actually it would not be difficult to 'civilianize' the KC-135R. They already have all the global air traffic stuff that is required. The question is will the USAF be willing to sell them parts from AMARC?

The same with the KC-10. Will they be able to get unique KC-10 parts from AMARC? They can get DC-10 parts from most civilian boneyards, which is where Omega gets its B-707 and DC-10 parts now..

Ozair wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to the recently retired Singaporean KC-135Rs?

I believe the original agreement with both Singapore and Turkey for the KC-135Rs was when they retired them they would be returned to US possession at AMARC.
 
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Re: NL KDC-10 Transferred to Omega Air

Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:55 pm

Good to see that the KDC10 is getting a new home.
 
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Re: NL KDC-10 Transferred to Omega Air

Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:35 pm

kc135topboom wrote:

Ozair wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to the recently retired Singaporean KC-135Rs?

I believe the original agreement with both Singapore and Turkey for the KC-135Rs was when they retired them they would be returned to US possession at AMARC.

Thanks. I had a look at AMARG and couldn’t see any transfers of KC-135Rs from Singapore but found the following quote from DefenseNews;

Singapore is looking at ways dispose of its fleet of Boeing KC-135R tanker aircraft as deliveries of its new Airbus tankers continue.
In response to queries from Defense News about what the nation was going to do with the four Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) KC-135R planes, the defense ministry said that “the disposal plans are being worked out and relevant approvals will be sought as required.”
Defense News understands from various sources at least one potential operator has expressed an interest in the Singaporean aircraft with an eye on potentially buying them. As the KC-135s were built in the United States, any disposal method will need the approval of the U.S. government before proceeding.



https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia ... g-tankers/

So it looks like someone is interested in acquiring them and while no indications that they are commercial or military I would put my money on a commercial operator as, given the availability of the MRTT and KC-46, there seems little reason for a military operator to take on these used airframes. Of the existing military operators, Chile wouldn’t be interested, France is removing theirs from service and Turkey have had a stable fleet for a long time with no indications they need more or replacement.
 
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Re: NL KDC-10 Transferred to Omega Air

Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:47 pm

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Israel getting the Singapore KC-135s (with US approval).
 
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Re: NL KDC-10 Transferred to Omega Air

Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:10 am

kc135topboom wrote:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Israel getting the Singapore KC-135s (with US approval).


I expect they will go straight to the KC-46 based on the below article from earlier this year.

Israel Submits LoR for Two KC-46 Refueling Tankers

The Israeli Air Force is looking to replace its aging fleet of Boeing-707 tankers. Sources at Boeing estimate that the first KC-46 refueling tanker will be delivered to Israel in 2022 or 2023
Israel made the first step toward the replacement of the IAF’s aging refueling tanker fleet: the Government of Israel has submitted a Letter of Request (LoR) to the US Government, for the acquisition of two new Boeing KC-46 refueling tankers. The new tankers will replace the old Boeing-707 tankers, IAF designation Re’em, which have been in service for several decades.
The procurement deal for the new tankers is yet to be signed, and at this point, the request is for the acquisition of two aircraft with an option for the future acquisition of an additional six. Sources at the Boeing Corporation estimate that the first refueling tanker will be delivered to Israel in 2022 or 2023. Once the transaction has been signed, Boeing will commence manufacturing of the new aircraft for the IAF.



https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/39020
 
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Re: NL KDC-10 Transferred to Omega Air

Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:24 pm

The Dutch KC10s have had a digital camera view for the boom operator since day one. I haven’t heard of any operational problems with them like the KC46 has been facing. Let’s see how this works out for Omega.
 
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Re: NL KDC-10 Transferred to Omega Air

Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:05 pm

Good to see these craft find a new home. Let's see how long they will last, they are quite old.
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